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China Has Three Reusable Rockets Ready for Their Debut Flights

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Re: China Has Three Reusable Rockets Ready for Their Debut Flights

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Honestly I doubt it. Current government doesn't really have the ability to get their shit together and compete with anyone in any capacity. As much as usgov would love another reason to clutch pearls and shriek about China, we simply don't have the industry or resources to compete without a federal investment so massive that we wouldn't have any tax money left to give to the already ludicrously wealthy. And we can't…

I actually think the US industry is perfectly capable of competing in the space race if given regulatory streamlining, long-term consistent goals, and relatively modest funding by congress. But none of those are going to happen. I mean SpaceX was delayed to do an environmental impact statement to check whether their rockets would land on whales in the gulf of mexico. Nobody's serious.

Free countries do not have long-term consistent goals, almost by definition. They have elections instead, in which citizens indirectly determine the national goals and priorities for the next few years.

Re: China Has Three Reusable Rockets Ready for Their Debut Flights

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That's awesome. Secretly (?) I'm hoping for another "space race"— this time between the U.S. and China. I'm hoping this for the U.S.'s sake. I'm hoping that good can come of it.

Who pays for it? It would be pretty funny to try to borrow from China... So even if its just a jobs program with a neat outcome, we'd have to deal with tax reform first, I'd imagine.

You know the Chinese government is more in debt than the United States, right? It's structured differently, but that doesn't change much. Or is worse, because you can end up with the government backing/cosigning for government joint ventures in the same industries all over the nation (for example EVs).

Re: China Has Three Reusable Rockets Ready for Their Debut Flights

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The practical part of space flight is launching satellites, and weapons. Both countries are already doing both. If we're discussing manned missions to the moon or Mars, as an American I'd prefer China spent all the money and the US didn't bother. It'd be cool to see it happen, but no one can identify practical benefits, aside from a political win.

That take is unbelievably shortsighted. A Far Side lunar base is not some cool sci fi brag. It is a massive strategic advantage, and brushing it off misses everything that actually matters. The Far Side is the only place in the Earth Moon system where you can hide military hardware and basically disappear. No optical tracking, no radar, no interception. The Moon itself becomes a giant wall of rock that blocks sensors…

don't nuclear submarines achieve similar strategic benefits?

Re: China Has Three Reusable Rockets Ready for Their Debut Flights

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That's awesome. Secretly (?) I'm hoping for another "space race"— this time between the U.S. and China. I'm hoping this for the U.S.'s sake. I'm hoping that good can come of it.

All it would take to revolutionise things is for SpaceX to open source all their engineering designs, and let the Germans and the Chinese build the things.

Re: China Has Three Reusable Rockets Ready for Their Debut Flights

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Who pays for it? It would be pretty funny to try to borrow from China... So even if its just a jobs program with a neat outcome, we'd have to deal with tax reform first, I'd imagine.

You know the Chinese government is more in debt than the United States, right? It's structured differently, but that doesn't change much. Or is worse, because you can end up with the government backing/cosigning for government joint ventures in the same industries all over the nation (for example EVs).

If true, then the question of "who pays for this race" is even stronger, no?

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In https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46061943 danishSuri1994 said that if others like China and ESA did not also develop reusable rockets they would be priced out of orbit access entirely. I have a question about that, but their comment got killed faster than I could type and submit my question so I'll ask it a level up. Why would not having reusable rockets price someone like China or ESA out of orbit access? I c…

If the cost of returning and refurbishing a rocket stage is less than the cost of building a new one then that gives a competitive advantage on price. But space flight is a strategic competency for states so China, the EU, and even eventually Russia, will all develop reusable rockets. I suspect that launch capacity will far exceed demand and that none will make profits for a long time.

If only EU would take affordable mass space launch like the critical strategic capability it is :P

Re: China Has Three Reusable Rockets Ready for Their Debut Flights

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This doesn’t make any sense. You must be trolling or a bot. What good does inter-planetary bombardment do me? I already have enough nukes to destroy the world. I mean it’s a bit redundant

You open by calling me a bot, which is an odd way to start a serious argument. It isn’t about extra ways to blow things up. It’s about survivability and leverage. A platform you can’t detect or preempt changes deterrence dynamics, just like subs do. The advantage comes from being untargetable, not from adding more warheads.

But missiles from the moon would take way longer to arrive than ICBMs, so more time to intercept them.

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Would the US even fight? We've lost the shipbuilding race, auto race, drone race, without anyone in DC actually noticing. Most Americans don't even realize China has a manned space station. If China had a presence on the moon, would that wake up congress, or would they just put out a few tweets and go back to cultural dramatics?

Congress will notice when old politburo members start living on the moon base healthy for another 20 years

Will they live longer on the moon?

(Maybe you are just joking, but I wonder about the idea.)

When I was a kid, it was a general assumption in science fiction that living in zero-G or low-G would provide health/longevity benefits. Our experience with the ISS shows that microgravity is bad for health (muscle atrophy, bone loss, vision problems). It is not clear that low gravity would be much different.

Re: China Has Three Reusable Rockets Ready for Their Debut Flights

#69

That's awesome. Secretly (?) I'm hoping for another "space race"— this time between the U.S. and China. I'm hoping this for the U.S.'s sake. I'm hoping that good can come of it.

There is a market for this on Kalshi and China is narrowly in the lead again, according to traders.

https://kalshi.com/markets/kxmoonman/manned-mission-to-the-m...

Re: China Has Three Reusable Rockets Ready for Their Debut Flights

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That's awesome. Secretly (?) I'm hoping for another "space race"— this time between the U.S. and China. I'm hoping this for the U.S.'s sake. I'm hoping that good can come of it.

There is a race to the moon happening right now

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/20/us/politics/spacex-us-moo...

You don't hear about it much, for some reason.

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