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How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by mothballed »

jdibs wrote: post #36
petcat wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

A referendum about whether the EU should "put boots on the ground" seems like a good idea to me as long as only those who vote yes get deployed.

And the people who vote yes should have to actually go themselves and lead from the front, not pull a Putin and simply declare war (er, special operation) while hiding under a bunker.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by zidad »

dominicq wrote: post #21

This is infuriating. The EU should block US sanctions violating EU interests. I'm also definitely moving my personal stuff out of US and into EU, starting with Gmail.

Exactly! Same here. But man it's going to be a painful move, so much is coupled to that. I already have a GrapheneOS phone, which ironically has to be a Pixel to run it.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by RyJones »

petcat wrote: post #24
nmridul wrote: post #6

> ..... he calls on the EU to activate an existing blocking regulation (Regulation (EC) No 2271/96) for the International Criminal Court, which prevents third countries like the USA from enforcing sanctions in the EU. EU companies would then no longer be allowed to comply with US sanctions if they violate EU interests. Companies that violate this would then be liable for damages. That is from that article..

EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

I've been to Kyiv five times to deliver aid via help99.co, and I've spent many, many hours with Europeans driving trucks from Tallinn to Kyiv.

The people volunteering and driving know Europe is at war. They all say nobody else where they live realizes this.

It's frustrating.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by TimorousBestie »

DangitBobby wrote: post #39
embedding-shape wrote: post #22

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> It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing I think it looked like that, because the US always been very effective at propaganda, and until the internet and the web made it very easy for people to communicate directly with each other without the arms of media conglomerates. It's now clearer than ever that US never really believed in its own…

I'm skeptical things would have lasted this long if the "US never really believed in its own ideal or took their own laws seriously". I think you're letting your cynicism for this moment run away with you.

American involvement in the Nuremberg trials set the stage for the modern era of international law. It began with the United States, along with the allied nations, constructing a post-facto legal definition of crime against humanity that somehow included the Holocaust but excluded both the American campaign in Japan and various Russian war crimes on the Western Front. It’s not cynicism to point out the clear hypocrisy.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by demarq »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #4
enlguy wrote: post #3

Only the U.S. would actually sanction someone for trying to indict a war criminal.

I don't think that's true. Lots of countries out there led by thugs. It used to be that the US stood out because it took the law seriously and believed in its ideals to do the right thing (not that it always succeeded, but it did its best). Looks like that time has passed.

Remember all the thuggery and whatever we are seeing now was happening back then.

What has changed is we know about it.

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Post by wongarsu »

chatmasta wrote: post #40
enlguy wrote: post #3

Only the U.S. would actually sanction someone for trying to indict a war criminal.

The ICC somehow managed to create an institution even more useless than the UN. The very concept of an International Criminal Court, operating in some idealistic moral space above war and diplomacy, is completely divorced from the reality of realpolitik and total war. If everyone agreed to arbitrate world matters in the ICC, why even have militaries?

A leader is difficult to arrest and prosecute while they are in power. But it does have a political cost for them (both being branded as wanted by the ICC, and how complicated international travel becomes, including your host country burning political capital by not arresting you). But of course the real cost comes if you ever fall from power. The ICC means we don't have to invent laws on the spot like we did in the Nuremberg trials for the Nazis, we can use established laws, courts and processes

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Post by watwut »

breppp wrote: post #32
netsharc wrote: post #18

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I guess "genocide" is also defined by the winners, or their defenders. And if it's not a genocide, then it's just mass killing of innocents, and that's... fine! Wonko the Sane is right.

do you define the dresden firebombings or the hiroshima nuclear attack as genocide?

Neither was genocide, neither in outcome nor in intention.

You could argue about "mass killing" or some such. Dresden firebombings did not attempted to eliminate German nation as such. It does not matter how actual nazi try to frame it as similar to holocaust, it was not nearly close.

And same goes for Hiroshima. It was not an attempt to eliminate Japanese people out of existence.

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Post by zidad »

bjord wrote: post #60
mothballed wrote: post #45

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Almost every bank in FATF white and gray list countries use the dollar in some way, so although your actions will help, in the end if you're sanctioned and you depend on traditional finance systems you are fucked. There is a guy on here, weev (username rabite) who was soft sanctioned by the US and can't use banks that transact in the dollar. Last I read of his comments, he was in Ukraine or Transnistria, surviving of…

all of the above is true, but just to be clear about who we're discussing, weev is a genuine neo-nazi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev#Alt-right_affiliations

Sure, but clearly that is not a requirement to be sanctioned nowadays, it just shows how f*d you are when you DO get sanctioned, and the bar for that is lowering by the day it seems.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by mothballed »

bjord wrote: post #60
mothballed wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost every bank in FATF white and gray list countries use the dollar in some way, so although your actions will help, in the end if you're sanctioned and you depend on traditional finance systems you are fucked. There is a guy on here, weev (username rabite) who was soft sanctioned by the US and can't use banks that transact in the dollar. Last I read of his comments, he was in Ukraine or Transnistria, surviving of…

all of the above is true, but just to be clear about who we're discussing, weev is a genuine neo-nazi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev#Alt-right_affiliations

Weev might be a real neo-nazi, but to be clear, right now an entire country (Ukraine) has also been claimed of being neo-nazis and life-altering state action taken against them without some due process to determine they are. Weev hasn't been convicted of anything serious (nor I think anything at all) that has stuck.
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