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Re: What influence has the BBC had on history?

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Being a communist doesn’t mean being a foreign agent

But being a communist does mean you are more likely to be recruited if you are in a position of power and at a time of 'war'.

Wouldn't that be an an too obvious foreign agent?

Just pay a 100% capitalist

Re: What influence has the BBC had on history?

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The UK. Being educated at Eton is a pretty good proxy for "the elite". We've had seven Eton-educated Prime Ministers in the 20th and 21st Century, and 100% of them were Conservatives. There has never been an Eton-educated Labour PM and the majority of Labour MPs come from state schools. The political skew among the elites is pretty obvious.

You don't think Eton is being flooded with progressive views? [1] A far better proxy for "the elite" would be "people who studied PPE at Oxford" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Oxford_p... [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-58244672

That's a far worse proxy. If you want to study PPE at university then you have to pay, there is no alternative. Studying at Eton is entirely unnecessary, given that state schools exist, and also far more expensive - Oxford costs £9,500 per year, Eton is about £17,500 per term.

That's why it's the sole preserve of the elite, unlike Oxford.

Re: What influence has the BBC had on history?

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You don't think Eton is being flooded with progressive views? [1] A far better proxy for "the elite" would be "people who studied PPE at Oxford" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Oxford_p... [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-58244672

That's a far worse proxy. If you want to study PPE at university then you have to pay, there is no alternative. Studying at Eton is entirely unnecessary, given that state schools exist, and also far more expensive - Oxford costs £9,500 per year, Eton is about £17,500 per term . That's why it's the sole preserve of the elite, unlike Oxford.

You seem to think "Elite" means "Rich" whereas "Elite" in this context means "opinion-former". Some can be rich, some can be MPs, civil servants, journalists, editors etc.

EG: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/26102-who-are-elite-b...

Re: What influence has the BBC had on history?

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When the Soviet Union fell apart BBC opened a number of journalism schools in Russia. The schools were sponsored by George Soros. My dad attended one of those and then was called into FSB office (former KGB) to be questioned. My suspicion to this day is that these schools were both a spy front and long-game propaganda, where they were teaching how to make news more western-aligned. Why would BBC want to teach their m…

The goal there is similar to why the US state department sponsored the Tor project. They want a democratic society in Russia, and they want the Russian people to have friendly views of the west. The objective wasn't so much to teach them their ways, but to establish rapport with the journalism community in Russia. Journalists decide if for example Putin's power grabbing and dictatorship is covered as a negative or a…

Its the messy application of FDR's claim that the USA should be the arsenal of democracy and should protect people everywhere. Which sounds all well and good, until you get different ideas about what is the best and that 'I' know better than you. Basically all the mess of the Cold War and propaganda and advertising

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That's a far worse proxy. If you want to study PPE at university then you have to pay, there is no alternative. Studying at Eton is entirely unnecessary, given that state schools exist, and also far more expensive - Oxford costs £9,500 per year, Eton is about £17,500 per term . That's why it's the sole preserve of the elite, unlike Oxford.

You seem to think "Elite" means "Rich" whereas "Elite" in this context means "opinion-former". Some can be rich, some can be MPs, civil servants, journalists, editors etc. EG: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/26102-who-are-elite-b...

Using your own data, then: can you present your evidence that the majority of MPs, CEOs, bankers, and newspaper editors are left wing?

Re: What influence has the BBC had on history?

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If you're supposed to be defending democracy in the cold war, excluding people based on their political views amounts to surrendering.

That's a very purist viewpoint. The other side hired people to work against Britain and managed to get them into sensitive organisations, particularly the security services of course. Should Britain have surrendered to that in the name of purity?

Outside actual national security, like the military, isn't the moral high ground precisely "we use reason, you use force"? I'm really not interested in picking sides when, as I heard a friend say, "the dog bites the dog and everyone has fur in their mouth."

Democracy is a noble ideal, and I believe in it, but anyone can call themselves democratic. You need to put your money where your mouth is.

Re: What influence has the BBC had on history?

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You seem to think "Elite" means "Rich" whereas "Elite" in this context means "opinion-former". Some can be rich, some can be MPs, civil servants, journalists, editors etc. EG: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/26102-who-are-elite-b...

Using your own data, then: can you present your evidence that the majority of MPs, CEOs, bankers, and newspaper editors are left wing?

MPs - obviously, look at the Labour majority.

CEOs - quite a large proportion.

Bankers - more than you would expect

Newspaper editors - Guardian, Mirror, Independen

Civil Service - pretty much all of it

Re: What influence has the BBC had on history?

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The BBC gets to say what history is because it documents the now. Farage does not have the popular support tha Corbyn had (has?) but you'd never believe it counting the number of interviews Farage gets with the BeeB. The game, as with Wikipedia, is to convince everyone you're unbiased and truthful and then sell us something. The question really is the relationship between the people's will (assuming you think democra…

The polling suggests Farage absolutely does have that support. BBC coverage reflects that. And I hate the man

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Re: What influence has the BBC had on history?

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The BBC gets to say what history is because it documents the now. Farage does not have the popular support tha Corbyn had (has?) but you'd never believe it counting the number of interviews Farage gets with the BeeB. The game, as with Wikipedia, is to convince everyone you're unbiased and truthful and then sell us something. The question really is the relationship between the people's will (assuming you think democra…

The polling suggests Farage absolutely does have that support. BBC coverage reflects that. And I hate the man

And you are talking of current polling. I believe you will find that in Corbyn's hayday the polling was suggesting he would sweep labour to power.. but with the wrong politics. Hence being pro Palestinian was turned (in the bbc reporting) into "anti Semitic".

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>>the BBC coverage of the Scottish independence referendum, Corbyn, and Brexit was embarrassing. Yes, they were clearly pro-Remain and anti-Corbyn and anti-Scottish independence. >> The Prescott memo is just the latest observation of how the BBC has been used as a tool to propagate elite opinions and accomplish intelligence objectives. Yes, it demonstrated examples of bias in favour of those elite opinions.

It is grimly funny how the Conservative party (Cameron) looked at the indyref, with its 48/52 win with all three main parties and almost all the media on their side, and decided that this was a big win and they could do it again. But this time the media would be on the other side, and pro-Leave were the ones making all the big undeliverable promises in all directions.

Nitpick: the Scottish Independence Referendum was 44.7% Yes and 55.3% No

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Scottish_independence_ref...

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