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Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by cons0le »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #12
hodgehog11 wrote: post #9

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Do you have any particular pieces in mind when you wrote this? Bach is impressive, no doubt, but to each their own perhaps. I acknowledge that I have not received the appropriate training to fully appreciate the complexity in his works, so I wish I could hear what you do. To my ear, (and this isn't a novel opinion in the slightest), I think the Baroque era was more limited in expression due to the inherent limitation…

I'm not the GP but I can recommend Bach's Partita in D minor, said to have been composed after returning from travel to find that his wife had died and been buried in his absence. https://youtu.be/VfwVim0EybY Brahms said of it: "On one stave, for a small instrument, the man writes a whole world of the deepest thoughts and most powerful feelings. If I imagined that I could have created, even conceived the piece, I am…

best version here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZFOhkGGr8A

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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lo_zamoyski wrote: post #30
lordleft wrote: post #14

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Sure! When I think of why I love Bach, I often think of works where he demonstrates an ability to express often conflicting emotions at the same time. For example, in St. Mathew’s Passion, there’s a famous piece entitled “Mache Dich, Mein Herze” — it’s sung at a part where the followers of Christ are laying his body to rest, and somehow merges genuine despair with hope, representing the promise of resurrection. I thi…

I presume you know Zelenka as well, a contemporary of Bach's (both knew each other and respected each other as composers).

There were a lot of these components in middle Germany at that time. Basically every reigning dynasty employed one, and there were a lot of those. They aren't famous now, but Bach wasn't famous at that time either. That he is famous now, is due to Mendelsohn.

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by cons0le »

lordleft wrote: post #14
hodgehog11 wrote: post #9

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Do you have any particular pieces in mind when you wrote this? Bach is impressive, no doubt, but to each their own perhaps. I acknowledge that I have not received the appropriate training to fully appreciate the complexity in his works, so I wish I could hear what you do. To my ear, (and this isn't a novel opinion in the slightest), I think the Baroque era was more limited in expression due to the inherent limitation…

Sure! When I think of why I love Bach, I often think of works where he demonstrates an ability to express often conflicting emotions at the same time. For example, in St. Mathew’s Passion, there’s a famous piece entitled “Mache Dich, Mein Herze” — it’s sung at a part where the followers of Christ are laying his body to rest, and somehow merges genuine despair with hope, representing the promise of resurrection. I thi…

Here's a fantastic quality recording of suite 3 from BBC 1974

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EKanXXMkz8

Amazing musicality, but the cellist never made it big cause she was a woman

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by cons0le »

bathMarm0t wrote: post #34
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when it comes to Bach I am surprised more people don't mention pieces like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsxP-YjDWlQ (arioso from the cantata 156, here for oboe) which I think stands up just fine against pretty much any other classical piece baroque or not. Personally I have a very big soft spot for his organ works, as I play (badly) some organ myself, and among those I don't see the trio sonatas recommended n…

If you're going to give them the triosonatas, you gotta give them the good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOTtDYTc5JY&list=PLCDB42413B... Put on a good set of headphones and go sit in the corner. Also obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah392lnFHxM&list=RDAh392lnFH... The thing I appericiate most about bach is: you can play it fast. you can play it slow. you can play it with an ensemble of random instru…

and you can throw away the metronome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1xJoVzoIQg

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by inglor_cz »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #30
lordleft wrote: post #14

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Sure! When I think of why I love Bach, I often think of works where he demonstrates an ability to express often conflicting emotions at the same time. For example, in St. Mathew’s Passion, there’s a famous piece entitled “Mache Dich, Mein Herze” — it’s sung at a part where the followers of Christ are laying his body to rest, and somehow merges genuine despair with hope, representing the promise of resurrection. I thi…

I presume you know Zelenka as well, a contemporary of Bach's (both knew each other and respected each other as composers).

Jan Dismas Zelenka wrote for the Saxon king, and many of his works were never released as a result.

Then, they burnt to ashes in 1945. The only extant copies were caught in the bombing of Dresden. We tend to think of "lost works" as something that happened in Antiquity. Nope.

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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reactordev wrote: post #54
cons0le wrote: post #51

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Nah Bach shits on Mozart. Mozart make extremely catchy music like Justin Beiber. I seriously do love mozart, but he merely wrote music. Bach weaved math into his music more than anyone before or after. His music sounds dense and more multi dimensional than mozart or saint saens. It really doesn't sound like he was trying to write beautiful music ( even though it is ) , it sounds like he was solving an equation and ju…

See, music isn’t just math, it’s feel. I guess that’s why I dislike him the way I do. It’s too robotic. Truth is, they were ALL Justin Bieber. It’s all pop music of the time.

Ahh yes, so robotic

https://youtu.be/_1xJoVzoIQg?list=RD_1xJoVzoIQg

Also they were not all justin beiber. Bach was a working church musician when mozart was out touring europe getting drunk and shitting on women. Only one of them was in it for the fame. In fact you could say that mozart and liszt were 2 of the first "pop stars" because that archetype didn't exist before them. There was basically no "beatlesmania" over bach. He had a steady job, but he didn't die wealthy or famous.

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by cybrox »

cons0le wrote: post #66
reactordev wrote: post #54

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See, music isn’t just math, it’s feel. I guess that’s why I dislike him the way I do. It’s too robotic. Truth is, they were ALL Justin Bieber. It’s all pop music of the time.

Ahh yes, so robotic https://youtu.be/_1xJoVzoIQg?list=RD_1xJoVzoIQg Also they were not all justin beiber. Bach was a working church musician when mozart was out touring europe getting drunk and shitting on women. Only one of them was in it for the fame. In fact you could say that mozart and liszt were 2 of the first "pop stars" because that archetype didn't exist before them. There was basically no "beatlesmania" ove…

Did not expect one of the most unhinged discussions on HN to start over classical music but aight.

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by reactordev »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #57
reactordev wrote: post #42

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He was known as an organist until the 18th century when someone decided to lump him in with the greats. His works were polished. Yes, he dedicated his life to music - but that’s also where his tenure started. Baroque style borrowing from others and making “commercial” music of his day. He was a nepo baby by our standards. His older brother that raised him wasn’t a Duke, but wasn’t poor either. He went to the best sch…

He wasn't so "commercial" because he was doing more complex and countrapuntal music after it was falling out of fashion, and he never did an opera, which was all the rage.

In his home land of Germany, it wasn’t about the opera, it was about the church - and Bach obliged.

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by cons0le »

cybrox wrote: post #67
cons0le wrote: post #66

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Ahh yes, so robotic https://youtu.be/_1xJoVzoIQg?list=RD_1xJoVzoIQg Also they were not all justin beiber. Bach was a working church musician when mozart was out touring europe getting drunk and shitting on women. Only one of them was in it for the fame. In fact you could say that mozart and liszt were 2 of the first "pop stars" because that archetype didn't exist before them. There was basically no "beatlesmania" ove…

Did not expect one of the most unhinged discussions on HN to start over classical music but aight.

mozart was truly the R kelly of his time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leck_mich_im_Arsch

Re: Two recently found works of J.S. Bach presented in Leipzig [video]

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Post by lovehashbrowns »

lordleft wrote: post #14
hodgehog11 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any particular pieces in mind when you wrote this? Bach is impressive, no doubt, but to each their own perhaps. I acknowledge that I have not received the appropriate training to fully appreciate the complexity in his works, so I wish I could hear what you do. To my ear, (and this isn't a novel opinion in the slightest), I think the Baroque era was more limited in expression due to the inherent limitation…

Sure! When I think of why I love Bach, I often think of works where he demonstrates an ability to express often conflicting emotions at the same time. For example, in St. Mathew’s Passion, there’s a famous piece entitled “Mache Dich, Mein Herze” — it’s sung at a part where the followers of Christ are laying his body to rest, and somehow merges genuine despair with hope, representing the promise of resurrection. I thi…

This piece is my favorite: https://youtu.be/Piw53UPooYU?si=WJIjWDKJUJ8HrDPO Können Tränen meiner Wangen

Karl Richter’s version is my personal favorite but there’s lots of different recordings. IMO Bach’s St Matthew Passion is the best piece of musical art, maybe art in general too idk.

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