Was there ever a relatively peaceful and prosperous period in Europe for a non elite average person? Maybe only the 1990s and only in France, (Western) Germany, Spain, Italy, and Switzerland?
A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain
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I can only hope I would have done the same in Franco's dictatorship. But I'd have expected prison rather than a convent.
Its not that simple. I do not know about Franco's Spain, but violent rebellion does not usually make things better. Most violent revolutions end up replacing one dictatorship with another.
Choosing to substitute a general principle instead of reading about the particular event as it happened 50 years ago... that likely informed the formation of that principle...
When you have nothing to add, say nothing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_transition_to_democrac...
Or have the courtesy to do the reading.
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#63A familiar story even today in the U.S: https://time.com/6997172/teen-torture-max-abuse-documentary/ “They are often a last resort for parents struggling with children with behavioral problems, suicidal thoughts, and substance abuse issues. Depending on the state, these rehab centers—a multi-billion-dollar industry—have few regulations, and there are no overarching federal standards governing them. Many are faith-bas…
Meanwhile, we have a crisis in the U.S. of people sleeping and dying in the streets because we shut down all the mental hospitals and involuntary commitment. Every system will have some percentage of adverse outcomes. Approaching the issue emotionally instead of dispassionately and with a view towards typical outcomes is an anti-social and dangerous approach.
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"Killing people I don't like is ok" is not a very nice line of thinking
> Killing people I don't like is ok it's so sad that the allies killed so many Axis soldiers in WW2 right? wasn't very nice :(
Sadly the article doesn't paint them as heroic:
> and when the police turned up, scatter in every direction.
Whoever they set out to burn alive was very likely defenseless.
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#65what is this thread people supporting a totalitarian fascist regime, blaming the victim... "Shouldn't fight against the regime, violence is bad mmmkay"... "she threw molotov cocktails, she deserved it"... what is happening, i feel like i'm taking crazy pills
I don't know why you're surprised. This place is primarily about making money.
Businesses are set up like tiny little fascist dictatorships. They are always trying to pay less taxes, evade regulations, layoff workers, monopolize, destroy competitors etc. They don't know anything about the public sphere, or common good, or government, or democracy, or rule of law etc. They suck at that, it goes against all their training and instincts.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its not that simple. I do not know about Franco's Spain, but violent rebellion does not usually make things better. Most violent revolutions end up replacing one dictatorship with another.
> Most violent revolutions end up replacing one dictatorship with another. Don’t those new violent dictators also tend to be more aligned with the people revolting? Anyway, it kinda makes sense to me that the people advocating for change through violent means don’t suddenly stop being violent when they get to power.
>>>>> Don’t those new violent dictators also tend to be more aligned with the people revolting?
Empirically, no.
"Popular dictator" is an oxymoron. The dictator is always focused on their own survival. They are never able to completely wipe out their opposition, and end up collaborating with the powerful, and repressing the weak, in order to retain power.
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#67"Soon, Mariona joined her new friends on "raids": a few of them would block off a street, throw Molotov cocktails, hand out leaflets, and when the police turned up, scatter in every direction." okay she threw molotov cocktails, she was lucky she wasn't imprisoned.
I find this a profoundly odd response to the story. Is your intent to excuse her abusive treatment by the religious, medical, and government authorities of a totalitarian regime?
Your comment is treating her with full agency (i.e. "she shouldn't have done anything bad or disruptive") and completely ignoring the agency of the institutions that harmed her (i.e. "what did she expect in response?").
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#68A familiar story even today in the U.S: https://time.com/6997172/teen-torture-max-abuse-documentary/ “They are often a last resort for parents struggling with children with behavioral problems, suicidal thoughts, and substance abuse issues. Depending on the state, these rehab centers—a multi-billion-dollar industry—have few regulations, and there are no overarching federal standards governing them. Many are faith-bas…
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Gaddafi was not a communist.
The Chinese State's actions w.r.t. the Uyghurs in undoubtedly a genocide. The Tankie angle misleading, "Han supremacist" would be more accurate.
Calling anyone supporting Franco a 'tankie' is so ahistorical it beggers belief.
Please try to understand the words you use, lest you rob them of all meaning.
I'd suggest replacing 'tankie' with 'partisan'.