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USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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100B for SNAP vs 850B for defense in 2024. Interest on govt issued debt was 880B.

What would be the value of the US dollar if we didn't have a military to back it up?

Ahaha. Wait, did you mean this as ironic comedy, or are you serious?

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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For perspective, SNAP constitutes somewhere around 1.5% of the total Federal budget[0], and provides supplemental income for over 41M Americans[1]. So they're making everyone reapply because their disbursement headcount is off by less than 1% (180k vs 41M). It's hard not look at stuff like this and not see gross oppression. 0: https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-does-the-federal-gover... 1: https://www.cbpp.org/res…

Half of my tax dollars (excluding SS/medicare taxes) go the military and subsidizing an entire defense industry, companies like Boeing, Lockheed etc. So some of my tax dollars going to a few people who aren’t eligible for SNAP benefits is the very least of my concerns.

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100B for SNAP vs 850B for defense in 2024. Interest on govt issued debt was 880B.

What would be the value of the US dollar if we didn't have a military to back it up?

I’d take that trade any day

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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The problem here is that healthier food tends to cost more, so you'd essentially be forcing people to buy less food unless you also simultaneously raised the disbursement. And then a certain wing of the media starts screaming about how the poor are eating organic salads on the backs of taxpayers. Sounds reasonable in theory but has little basis in our current political reality.

I hate this common trope about health food costing more. Beans, lentil, rice, potatos, carrots, onions, cabbage, garlic don't cost a lot, add some additional cheap proteins like chicken and eggs and you're good to go for like $50 or less per week per person. And if you can buy in bulk and freeze, then it can get even cheaper.

It’s not a tripe. A lot of these aren’t even available in food deserts, whereas soda and garbage is ubiquitous in every corner stores and gas station etc.

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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For context, state-administered food programs paid for by SNAP already treat recipients like criminals with extensive salary, income, assets, and life situation reporting and verification every 6 months to 12 months max. It comes across as just yet another way look down on poor people, waste their time, and spend more money on duplicated means testing already costing significantly more than whatever hunting down every marginal unqualified case hoped to save like "finding" the "welfare queen" or "voting fraud" bogeyman that doesn't exist to demonize one group or another.

UBI would probably be a whole lot cheaper than micromanaging what people can and can't buy while not treating the most desperate people with unkind, perpetual suspicion.

The truth is this is yet another rug pull surprise to screw over poor people. Not just health insurance subsidy revocations or Medicaid cuts, because some people just aren't satisfied with trillions or all the power.

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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For context, state-administered food programs paid for by SNAP already treat recipients like criminals with extensive salary, income, assets, and life situation reporting and verification every 6 months to 12 months max. It comes across as just yet another way look down on poor people, waste their time, and spend more money on duplicated means testing already costing significantly more than whatever hunting down ever…

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Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would be the value of the US dollar if we didn't have a military to back it up?

Ahaha. Wait, did you mean this as ironic comedy, or are you serious?

Answer the question

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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A quibble… The 180k is just for the states that responded, if I understand correctly. They suspect that the rate of fraud could be much higher in other states. How much high? I have no idea. I don’t think anyone does. I think they want to reboot the program to try to remove the corruption.

I would also keep in mind that the 180k number is almost certainly inaccurate, if we go by this administration’s behavior during the DOGE efforts of manufacturing false claims of “fraud” out of benign circumstances as an excuse to tear down the social safety net systems.[1] > Bobba [DOGE engineer] had sorted people with a Social Security number by age and found more than 12 million over 120 years old still listed in…

> I would also keep in mind that the 180k number is almost certainly inaccurate

Right? Why is anyone taking this as a good faith number, let alone a fact, given who said it and where it was said?

It’s quite clearly made up nonsense.

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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Reform is needed, yes, but this is a stupid comment. By your own argument 75% of SNAP is spent on normal food, mostly by people who need it

So why not reform it? It seems like an easy way to get bipartisan support and compromise. To put the numbers in perspective, the US only had 3000 deaths due to starvation (almost all of which are mental health issues rather than lack of access to food). This is compared to 280k-500k deaths due to overeating.

Cut the 25% and keep the 75% that is spent on normal food. By the other comments you can see that even that seems quite unpopular as it is seen as policing food for poor people?

Re: USDA head says 'everyone' on SNAP will now have to reapply

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Less than one percent of 1.5% of $7 trillion, around $1 billion. Which is a significant sum, no doubt, but that's also less than $3/person in the US. Given the much larger wasted sums by DOD and other parts of the government, it's an amount I can live with. I'd rather see the real waste and abuse get addressed first, but it won't be. Address this, but address it in a way that doesn't cause undue harm to the 40.8 mill…

Agreed with everything you said, but people would say the exact same thing about some of the more wasteful programs that were shutdown. "It is only $50 million" etc got really old... It is not like you can expect to just find massive line items that can be easily removed

Some of those items were about feeding starving kids, others weren’t. Perhaps we shouldn’t pretend that anyone equating them is saying something worth listening to or taking remotely seriously.

Ahem.

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