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SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

#61

Where does SEO end and AI slop begin?

Does it matter? I want neither in my search results. Human slop is no better than AI slop.

It's a point often lost in these discussions. Slop was a problem long before AI. AI is just capable of rapidly scaling it beyond what the SEO human slop-producers were making previously.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

#62
post #32

Where does SEO end and AI slop begin?

Hopefully, we'll just blacklist SEO spam at the same time. Slop is slop regardless of origin.

Maybe slop will be the general term for that sorta thing, happy to feed Kagi with the info needed as long as it doesn't become too big a administrative burden.

User curated links, didn't we have that before, Altavista?

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

#63
post #25

Though I'm still pissed at Kagi about their collaboration with Yandex, this particular kind of fight against AI slop has always striked me as a bit of Don Quixote vs windmill. AI slop eventually will get as good as your average blogger. Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results. I am terrified of AI generated content taking over and consuming search eng…

> Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results. Are we personally comfortable with such an approach? For example, if you discover your favorite blogger doing this.

I am 100% comfortable with anybody who openly discloses that their words were written by a robot.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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post #60
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explicitly in the article, one of the headings is "AI slop is deceptive or low-value AI-generated content, created to manipulate ranking or attention rather than help the reader." So yes, they are proposing marking bad AI content (from the user's perspective), not all AI-generated content.

Which troubles me a bit, as 'bad' does not have same definition for everyone.

How is this any different from a search engine choosing how to rank any other content, including penalizing SEO spam? I may not agree with all of their priorities, but I would welcome the search engine filtering out low quality, low effort spam for me.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

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post #25

Though I'm still pissed at Kagi about their collaboration with Yandex, this particular kind of fight against AI slop has always striked me as a bit of Don Quixote vs windmill. AI slop eventually will get as good as your average blogger. Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results. I am terrified of AI generated content taking over and consuming search eng…

> Even now if you put an effort into prompting and context building, you can achieve 100% human like results. Are we personally comfortable with such an approach? For example, if you discover your favorite blogger doing this.

> Are we personally comfortable with such an approach?

I am not, because it's anti-human. I am a human and therefore I care about the human perspective on things. I don't care if a robot is 100x better than a human at any task; I don't want to read its output.

Same reason I'd rather watch a human grandmaster play chess than Stockfish.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

#68
> Our review team takes it from there

How does this work? Kagi pays for hordes of reviewers? Do the reviewers use state of the art tools to assist in confirming slop, or is this another case of outsourcing moderation to sweat shops in poor countries? How does this scale?

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

#69
post #60
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explicitly in the article, one of the headings is "AI slop is deceptive or low-value AI-generated content, created to manipulate ranking or attention rather than help the reader." So yes, they are proposing marking bad AI content (from the user's perspective), not all AI-generated content.

Which troubles me a bit, as 'bad' does not have same definition for everyone.

There’s a whole genre of websites out there that are a ToC and a series of ChatGPT responses.

I take it to mean they’re targeting that shit specifically and anything else that becomes similarly prevalent and a plague upon search results.

Re: SlopStop: Community-driven AI slop detection in Kagi Search

#70
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your wife can't detect that you told your secretary to buy something nice, should she care?

This is an absurd comparison - you (presumably) made a commitment to your wife. There is no such commitment on a public blog?

Norms of society.

I made no commitment that says I won't intensely stare at people on the street. But I just might be a jerk if I keep doing it.

"You're not wrong, Walter. you're just an asshole."

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