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Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Post by Animats »

apsurd wrote: post #42
thatcat wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI doesn't break any sources of meaning, it's value is in replacing journalists as middle man to access decades of silod research with more granularity.

I used to think the democratization of content creation and reach was an obvious virtue. Now I think instead of massive corporations making shit up to sell stuff as some great way of life, we have every single Susan and Billy doing it constantly across every interaction. it's worse. it doesn't make the former good. but we've somehow created a worse version.

> I used to think the democratization of content creation and reach was an obvious virtue.

The democratization of content creation and reach coupled with anonymity really broke it. We can no longer filter assholes.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Post by fellowniusmonk »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #15
blamestross wrote: post #3

The history of Nietzsche's work and the context it was used in makes this conversation complicated. Its one of those situations where the root philosophy is correct "moral frameworks are arbitrary and thier enforcement mechanism are falling apart so we have to try something new" isn't a hard argument to justify. The problem is that it leaves "Something new" a totally blank check for anybody seeking power to fill in.…

You'd have a hard time justifying the argument that moral frameworks are arbitrary. First, they have complicated internal structures that aren't well understood even today. See, e.g., the various "paradoxes" of modal logics used in ethics. Second, since we're all the same social primate species, moral rules are surprisingly consistent globally. Third, the Romantic and anti-Enlightenment streams that Nietzsche was a p…

Ugh. Nietzsche.

It's just not interesting, its not really foundational, it weirdly adopts the value frame of what it rejects, its arrogant, much of it is trivially false.

It's like hearing someone talking about reading Von Mises or Ayn Rand or Myers Briggs types for the first time.

It's like, I'm too old and well informed now to find any of them interesting or of value, maybe they're a developmental phase and are ok if you don't get stuck in them.

Read them sure, but if you're the type of person who believes what they read and can't engage with it critically your better off reading more substantive and true works, like cheaper by the dozen or the boxcar children, or the musicians of brennan or read more interesting, modern, informed work like Wheeler.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Post by cgio »

tkgally wrote: post #6
voidhorse wrote: post #2

I'm so torn about this article. On the one hand, it's great to see technologists engaging more with philosophy—arguably the technological landscape we currently have would h ave been much better if they had done so more deeply and more frequently. On the other hand, this is a pretty shallow article and does not, on my read, offer anything to anyone even vaguely familiar with technology and Nietzsche's philosophy. A m…

I hate to be the one to say this, but this article reads as though it was written by an LLM. The shallowness is one reason. Another is the lack of any individual voice that would suggest a human author. And there are the unsupported citations and references: The sentence “The World Economic Forum’s 2023 Future of Jobs report estimates 83 million jobs may be displaced globally, disproportionately affecting low- and mi…

A positive outcome of LLMs. Regardless if the specific article is AI generated or not, we become increasingly intolerant of shallowness. While in the past we would engage with the token effort of the source, we now draw conclusions and avoid the engagement much faster. I am expecting the quality of real articles to improve to avoid the more sensitive reader filters.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Post by zkmon »

chemotaxis wrote: post #46

This is startling in so many ways. First, this looks like an archetypal default-tone LLM-generated article, ticking pretty much every single box in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing . And I recommend looking at this author's history, because I think they're in the habit of doing that. But more importantly, it's such a hollow thesis that I can't believe we're seriously debating it. Why does t…

This. So true.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Post by tgv »

xarope wrote: post #57
tkgally wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to be the one to say this, but this article reads as though it was written by an LLM. The shallowness is one reason. Another is the lack of any individual voice that would suggest a human author. And there are the unsupported citations and references: The sentence “The World Economic Forum’s 2023 Future of Jobs report estimates 83 million jobs may be displaced globally, disproportionately affecting low- and mi…

I'm a member of the ACM, so I would report this article. However, I think the author may just have made some mistakes and mixed up/-1'd their references, since the 2023 report is actually #2 2. Di Battista, A., Grayling, S., Hasselaar, E., Leopold, T., Li, R., Rayner, M. and Zahidi, S., 2023, November. Future of jobs report 2023. In World Economic Forum (pp. 978-2). Similarly, Footnote 7 probably should probably poin…

The Communications of the ACM no longer has an editor?

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Post by 4ndrewl »

trinsic2 wrote: post #22
voidhorse wrote: post #2

I'm so torn about this article. On the one hand, it's great to see technologists engaging more with philosophy—arguably the technological landscape we currently have would h ave been much better if they had done so more deeply and more frequently. On the other hand, this is a pretty shallow article and does not, on my read, offer anything to anyone even vaguely familiar with technology and Nietzsche's philosophy. A m…

I didn't read anything about a connection between technology and philosophy. Its more about finding meaning in a world that has been over technologised.

Finding your humanity in a world that is seeking to strip you of that humanity is very Nietzsche.

So perhaps tfa didn't do a good job of explaining that?

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Post by trallnag »

DuperPower wrote: post #12

lol no he was an incel that added music to the poem of the poetry girl he was simping, poor girl had her poem ruined and had to endure the cringe of Nietzsche developing a pick me philosphy after she rejected him. Please dont add weight to that bs in the AI embedding space

I'm pretty sure he wasn't a virgin when he died. So he was not an incel. And I don't care about the reddit redefiniton of the term "incel" as someone who looks down on women or something like that.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

a better starting point for technologists to engage with philosophy than Nietzsche would be Jacques Ellul's La Technique https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Technological_Society

this article feels like the authors were trying to pander to those few people working in AI research telling them how crucial philosophy is "to the future of humanity". When in reality it has always been important long before AI came along and not only for AI but also for anyone working in Tech or any subject in Tech. so it is nothing more than news-jacking (or buzzword jacking) of a topic that has always been important but probably not in the isolated / cherry-picked manner that it is being done (isolating the topic to AI, or Nietzsche).

And the only thing that this article highlights if anything, is that we we should have never defunded the humanities.

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