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Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 9:26 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #35

Insanity wrote: post #5

It's a tricky balance to strike. I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race, and I do want them to be more competitive in the tech landscape. At the moment, EU really isn't competitive in tech (and neither in tech salaries) and it leads to a certain amount of 'brain drain' as people move abroad. So while I do understand the need for regulations, they shouldn't regulate themselves into irrelevance. I don't…

I don't think its about regulation, its the mindset. Since some time there's this trend of indie European developers with some who managed to make themselves a name like Peter Levels and be hosted on big podcasters and these people keep calling their projects "startups" and making about as much as a high street kebab shop(in this community they like to boost about their revenues). Levels is famous enough to be interv…

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Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by philjohn » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 9:27 PM UTC

flir wrote: post #18

logifail wrote: post #17

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> I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race Unless something changes, that's going to continue :( According to Jensen Huang, "the AI race" will be determined primarily by the price of electricity.[0] Until very recently the EU stated that being carbon neutral by 2050 was of overriding importance[1]. Which is it? [0] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... [1] https://climate.ec.eur…

China's target is 2060.

China doesn't have one side of the political spectrum trying to shutter any talk of renewables, they're just installing them at breakneck speed.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by cadamsdotcom » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 9:28 PM UTC

miohtama wrote: post #54

cadamsdotcom wrote: post #26

Biggest problem is you need two types economy at once. You need the big paradigm shifts that come from an innovation economy; for that, capital must flow easily, risk-taking (both companies and individuals) be rewarded not punished, and a stable job is kind of a bad thing (people get too comfortable).. Meanwhile in more mature sectors, job security (so people can have mortgages and families) and market stability shou…

No one can call software and AI mature, they are still innovating. We do not even know how they will look in give years. Premature regulation kills this innovation. Harms of AI are not the same as harms from traffic accidents.

That’s true - but social media is a different kettle of fish.

The problem is it all gets lumped under “technology”.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by Muromec » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 9:30 PM UTC

spwa4 wrote: post #59

Arch-TK wrote: post #52

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Is it not? What is it instead? Carbon negative?

Greenpeace was founded to oppose nuclear energy, because it would lead to nuclear war (that was their position at least), which illustrates that, even now, nuclear power is considered not-green.

Greenpeace is a big part of the problem, especially with most of the European left being aligned with them on nuclear hate.

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Post by throw20251110 » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 9:30 PM UTC

andrepd wrote: post #43

whimsicalism wrote: post #39

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interesting. sounds like the EU is getting the growth trajectory its voters desire, then - best of luck!

Oh no, I live more years, work less hours, and breathe cleaner air, but unfortunately line goes up slightly less than in the US of A.

Who's going to pay your pension. Hopefully you have 10 kids. They all want free money, no work, more perks. But who pays for it... maybe "the state". We're pricing ourselves out of the market and guys like the one above clap. Crazy world.

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Post by siva7 » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 9:30 PM UTC

miohtama wrote: post #51

logifail wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't want EU to fall behind further in the AI race Unless something changes, that's going to continue :( According to Jensen Huang, "the AI race" will be determined primarily by the price of electricity.[0] Until very recently the EU stated that being carbon neutral by 2050 was of overriding importance[1]. Which is it? [0] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell... [1] https://climate.ec.eur…

Finland, France and other countries can lower the price of electricity just by disconnecting neighbours like Germany from their grid.

Germany can be a leader in Green AI or emission neutral Chatbots.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by fodkodrasz » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 9:32 PM UTC

Yaina wrote: post #6

I like the EU, but what's annoying about things like this, or the Chat Control law that keeps getting pushed, is that civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game. I wonder what harm companies are even claiming. But honestly makes perfect sense that Germany's current conservative government is in favor of it. Giant GDP boosts are always just…

> civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game.

I'm not sure why you are singling out the EU Chat Control, when all the US "tech" sector have been playing this attrition game for 40+ years already...

It is indeed an attrition game, and the dominance of the adtech surveillance capitalism is the proof that we are already on the loosing side.

Re: European Commission plans “digital omnibus” package to simplify its tech laws

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Post by nuffisnuff9 » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 9:38 PM UTC

cbg0 wrote: post #60

paganel wrote: post #57

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I think I do, as in I'm pretty sure I've never ever voted for this European Commission thing, neither has any other EU citizen that I know of, and yet they're running the whole show here in Europe. If if walks and quacks like a duck it most certainly is a duck. Granted, they don't have North Korea's interesting military parades, I'll give them that. Later edit: I think you might me on the wrong understanding path by…

You've voted for the people who elect the European Commission, though I'm sure you know that, just conveniently decided to leave it out, you're a known troll on Reddit too.

EU elections are notoriously anti democratic

Candidates are not elected by voters but positioned.

Once people have cast their vote, members of the comission are not automatically determined but negotiated across political families, and the bureaucracy.

Time to tear down this ridiculous administrative, bureaucratic, corporative and very expensive leviathan.

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Post by sib » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 9:45 PM UTC

w1nt3rmut3 wrote: post #7

Yaina wrote: post #6

I like the EU, but what's annoying about things like this, or the Chat Control law that keeps getting pushed, is that civil society and privacy advocacy groups always need to stay vigilant and keep mobilizing people. It's an attrition game. I wonder what harm companies are even claiming. But honestly makes perfect sense that Germany's current conservative government is in favor of it. Giant GDP boosts are always just…

What do you mean abroad? I don't think anyone is considering moving to the USA. But maybe you mean a different country?

Year Europeans Obtaining U.S. Lawful Permanent Resident Status

2014 83,270

2015 85,800

2016 93,570

2017 84,340

2018 80,020

2019 87,600

2020 68,990

2021 61,520

2022 75,610

2023 80,280

Yup, definitely looks like no Europeans have ever considered moving to the US...

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Post by pzo » Mon, Nov 10, 2025, 9:47 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #56

mentalgear wrote: post #46

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Levels is all hype, no depth. It’s absurd that he frames himself as somehow “disadvantaged” by the EU’s HPC access rules, when those systems are explicitly reserved for scientific research, not for cranking out AI avatars or the latest “AI-generated game” cash-grab. Complaining that you can’t use taxpayer-funded supercomputers for your next hype cycle isn’t a sign of innovation - it’s Levels' so often displayed self-…

Sure but he became the poster child of a certain trend. Besides, you can see the mentality all over the place. Contrary to what the social media makes you believe, EU isn't run on tickets income for old building - the place is packed with high tech niche businesses but they don't seem to be interested much in scaling. Even the Ruby on Rails guy, David Heinemeier Hansson, never went for dominating an industry, becomin…

> Even the Ruby on Rails guy, David Heinemeier Hansson, never went for dominating an industry, becoming a platform with investor money and become an Unicorn

If something in europe has potential to dominate then it's eventually being bought by US capital, see Skype, Nokia. If someone is throwing at you 10+ digit check then it's hard to resist and even if you want to resist good luck with persuading your early investors about not taking the money.

EU doesn't have petro-dollar and as good money printer as US. EU doesn't also have citizens & big funds that ape savings into local stocks, another reason most companies IPO in US.