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Re: Beets: The music geek’s media organizer

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(Only because I have an axe to grind) I really dislike "genre" and work hard to strip that metadata tag. It is so reductive. And flawed as well. Do we assign a "genre" to an artist? Album? Song? The band R.E.M.: "College Rock"? "New Wave"? "Alternative"? (Wow, don't even get me started on all the ways you can further slice up "alternative" into "shoe-gaze", "twee", etc. It's, ha ha, naval gazing for the music intelli…

A genre is a volume in song space.

More seriously, there’s no reason you can’t assign more than one genre to a song, or say that “it’s a mix of A and B”. You can extend the concept to albums and artists just as easily.

I’m not familiar with R.E.M., but on rateyourmusic.com they’re marked as alternative rock, jangle pop, pop rock, indie rock, neo-psychedelia, and folk rock. “Don’t go back to Rockville” is marked as Jangle pop, and the “Reckoning” album overall is mostly Jangle pop with some influences from post-punk and Paisley Underground.

You may not agree with these categorizations, but it’s a crowd-sourced website so you can go vote for different genres. You may also disagree with the existence of all of these genres, some of which I’ve never heard of myself (but as I said, I haven’t listened much to R.E.M. in general), but my point is more that if you’re familiar with them then you kind of know what to expect from the song.

I’d never heard “don’t go back to rockville”, but just from these genres you named to make your point, I already knew what it would approximately sound like. And indeed listening to it confirmed that.

Re: Beets: The music geek’s media organizer

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(Only because I have an axe to grind) I really dislike "genre" and work hard to strip that metadata tag. It is so reductive. And flawed as well. Do we assign a "genre" to an artist? Album? Song? The band R.E.M.: "College Rock"? "New Wave"? "Alternative"? (Wow, don't even get me started on all the ways you can further slice up "alternative" into "shoe-gaze", "twee", etc. It's, ha ha, naval gazing for the music intelli…

I don't think theres anything wrong with labelling genres, its good for describing things. If I say "I love post hardcore, does anyone have more of that?" its a lot easier than going "hear me I out, I like punk sounds but maybe not necessarily punk songs?" What about movies? Can books have a genre? seems like a silly thing to take issue with. Alternative is a huge umbrella and it means something very different now than it did in the 90's when it meant pavement or sonic youth.

'naval gazing for music intelligentsia' did a pitchfork writer run over your mom?

Re: Beets: The music geek’s media organizer

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post #61

(Only because I have an axe to grind) I really dislike "genre" and work hard to strip that metadata tag. It is so reductive. And flawed as well. Do we assign a "genre" to an artist? Album? Song? The band R.E.M.: "College Rock"? "New Wave"? "Alternative"? (Wow, don't even get me started on all the ways you can further slice up "alternative" into "shoe-gaze", "twee", etc. It's, ha ha, naval gazing for the music intelli…

A genre is a volume in song space. More seriously, there’s no reason you can’t assign more than one genre to a song, or say that “it’s a mix of A and B”. You can extend the concept to albums and artists just as easily. I’m not familiar with R.E.M., but on rateyourmusic.com they’re marked as alternative rock, jangle pop, pop rock, indie rock, neo-psychedelia, and folk rock. “Don’t go back to Rockville” is marked as Ja…

Genres are fun to play with too. If something has breakdown and maybe some screams? Put 'core' at the end. Its all up to interpretation and it gives us some easy short hand to discuss music.

Re: Beets: The music geek’s media organizer

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(Only because I have an axe to grind) I really dislike "genre" and work hard to strip that metadata tag. It is so reductive. And flawed as well. Do we assign a "genre" to an artist? Album? Song? The band R.E.M.: "College Rock"? "New Wave"? "Alternative"? (Wow, don't even get me started on all the ways you can further slice up "alternative" into "shoe-gaze", "twee", etc. It's, ha ha, naval gazing for the music intelli…

I don't think theres anything wrong with labelling genres, its good for describing things. If I say "I love post hardcore, does anyone have more of that?" its a lot easier than going "hear me I out, I like punk sounds but maybe not necessarily punk songs?" What about movies? Can books have a genre? seems like a silly thing to take issue with. Alternative is a huge umbrella and it means something very different now th…

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Re: Beets: The music geek’s media organizer

#66
post #62

How do you all handle FLAC/CUE releases? A problem I have is that I want to have processed/tagged tracks, but I also want to keep FLAC/CUEs. I end up have redundant and separate organized library and original data.

I, personally, split the flac. It sounds like you don't want to do that but though but it does remain lossless amd I prefer to see the tracks representing individually in the filesystem.

Re: Beets: The music geek’s media organizer

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post #28

I spent a truly obnoxious amount of time importing my music library into beets. It took a couple of weeks to get to 95% imported, and got so bogged down in the last 5% that I never completed the import and never switched over. This isn't necessarily a fault with beets, really, but a model mismatch. The model of beets is very, very strongly tied to associating each imported item to one well-known, commercial release.…

Everyone else is telling you to go update musicbrainz, and that's a sensible course of action for the first two bullets, but the much easier path is to import all these files with whatever metadata they have.

There is no canonical metadata for a fan recording of a concert or DIY CD-R, so you lose out on nothing by importing the files as they are today.

Once you're over the hump of the first import, beets is a fabulous tool for ingesting new music. It's well worth it.

Re: Beets: The music geek’s media organizer

#69

A few people commenting that some of their collection "doesn't exist in any DB", the best way to fix it is to add it to Musicbrainz[0] yourself! I have found that adding things to Musicbrainz is actually pretty easy (and if you are so inclined like me, pretty rewarding and fun). Streaming releases (and Bandcamp) you simply drop the release URL into Harmony[1] and it does most of the work for you. Musicbrainz can repr…

Wow I've needed harmony for years, thanks for sharing! My dumb ass was filling out the Musicbrainz by hand for like two months before I just gave up on beets.

Re: Beets: The music geek’s media organizer

#70
What I really want is a plugin that starts an icecast server with a given song as a root, and continues to stream songs whose albums/artists are within a certain reference distance of the root on discogs/wikipedia/etc.

So if I start on Guzzlemug I'll get some Blood Incantation, but maybe also some Pink Floyd.

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