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I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by lelandfe »

kenhwang wrote: post #32
kalli wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's based on popularity on Resident Advisor / RA (those are the clubs that had the most "followers" among their userbase)

This is a classic example of data sourcing bias. RA is primarily used by independent promoters in the States, which tend to be much smaller and have smaller or less frequent events. Large promoters who regularly throw events or have the budget for larger events would use their own promotion mechanisms and general population ad networks instead of listing on RA.

> Large promoters who regularly throw events or have the budget for larger events would use their own promotion mechanisms

No (at least in the US) - it’s because of exclusive contracts with the ticketing platforms.

Whereas you can list on RA and other platforms too, the biggest clubs and venues get lucrative deals with eg AXS to only list tickets on their platform.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by toast0 »

firefax wrote: post #48
Der_Einzige wrote: post #24

Btw, SF night clubs actively refuse to let “tech nerds” in. I witnessed whole groups of people who attended the huggingface “Woodstock of AI” meetup circa 2023 and the local clubs would refuse to let anyone in who wore glasses or wore Patagonia. Thanks John Hughes films!

>Btw, SF night clubs actively refuse to let “tech nerds” in. I got escorted past the line at DNA lounge because I had a Firefox shirt on. (Only solid black shirt I had, outta respect to the goths rocked it with some black jeans.) Are you aware that one of the best clubs in the bay is owned by a former "tech bro"? >DNA Lounge is an all-ages nightclub, restaurant and cafe in the SoMa district of San Francisco owned by…

> In general, clubs don't want to let in folks who don't match the culture... for example, Berghain, at it's core, wants people coming in who want to dance, so if you show up in glasses and Patagonia you're not going to enjoy yourself.

I can tell you, if I show up to an event without my glasses, I'm not going to enjoy myself either :P But, thanks to the internet, I can listen to dance music without having to go to a club https://www.di.fm/ (also I have the joy of having a local dance music station https://www.c895.org/ so I can listen to dance music with just an FM radio)

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by kenhwang »

lelandfe wrote: post #61
kenhwang wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a classic example of data sourcing bias. RA is primarily used by independent promoters in the States, which tend to be much smaller and have smaller or less frequent events. Large promoters who regularly throw events or have the budget for larger events would use their own promotion mechanisms and general population ad networks instead of listing on RA.

> Large promoters who regularly throw events or have the budget for larger events would use their own promotion mechanisms No (at least in the US) - it’s because of exclusive contracts with the ticketing platforms. Whereas you can list on RA and other platforms too, the biggest clubs and venues get lucrative deals with eg AXS to only list tickets on their platform.

That's ticketing. There's plenty of listings on RA that don't use RA's ticketing service.

Large promoters that use or have exclusivity deals with AXS or Ticketmaster/LiveNation or Dice still advertise/promote on platforms like Facebook/Instagram, EDM Train, Radiate, etc alongside the ticketing platform's promotion platforms.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by analog31 »

radley wrote: post #44
analog31 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Granted I'm not a DJ but a jazz musician. I think there's a slight premium for "out of town" acts compared to local acts of possibly equal quality. It could simply be due to scarcity. If a certain act is only in town for one night, then it's your only chance to see them, whereas you can put off seeing a local band for a while.

> I think there's a slight premium for "out of town" acts In the EDM world, it can often be much more than a slight premium. Ever since streaming took over music sales, performance fees have become the key source of income for most artists.

That's a good point. In fact, I'm not a full time musician, but performing is my only source of musical income. I've never bothered with trying to make money from recordings.

I do know some indie artists who make a bit of extra money at performances selling CDs to people who still buy them. I think it takes advantage of the immediacy of the moment, and the fact that a lot of people are actually not savvy about finding stuff online.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by RandallBrown »

zkmon wrote: post #57

In excitement over the cool-looking visualizations, we lose the sight of its usefulness. The entire article hardly has any text talking about how these visualization would be useful and to whom. Even if this is an ask from a top-level managers hoping that it would help their decision-making, let me tell you that, this will be binned after everyone agrees that the visualizations are very cool. Decisions are driven by…

> Even if this is an ask from a top-level managers

This was a pandemic project from someone who likely did it just because they thought it was cool/interesting.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by tweetle_beetle »

zkmon wrote: post #57

In excitement over the cool-looking visualizations, we lose the sight of its usefulness. The entire article hardly has any text talking about how these visualization would be useful and to whom. Even if this is an ask from a top-level managers hoping that it would help their decision-making, let me tell you that, this will be binned after everyone agrees that the visualizations are very cool. Decisions are driven by…

Note to people considering publishing articles describing passion projects on their personal websites (especially if they may be considered exciting).

Stop!

It is vital that you first hire an independent product manager and perform market fit analysis. Ask yourself "Does my blog deliver high ROI and facilitate decision making by key stakeholders?". If not, it has no use and should not be published.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by anigbrowl »

Data raw material is meh, as are the results (clubs are clustered by geography and music style? Shocker), but the post isn't about collection or survey methodology.

The hard work here is in the analysis and presentation, which are nice. That will still be valuable if applied to better-curated datasets. I don't blame the author for working with a mediocre dataset that happened to reflect his interests, he's not making big claims about what this means for the entertainment industry or the future of culture.

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by kiitos »

ssalka wrote: post #22

I'm just gonna say that some aspect of the data collection here seems flawed: among the SF clubs listed are DNA Lounge and Public Works – which are great clubs, don't get me wrong – but they are very much on the smaller side. And, Phonobar? That is a bar/restaurant, not a nightclub at all. Meanwhile, The Warfield and 1015 Folsom are left out – how does that make any sense?

dunno about the rest of your post but phonobar is legit, it's tiny but it has a dance floor and regularly hosts top-tier talent

Re: I analyzed the lineups at the most popular nightclubs

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Post by [deleted] »

kenhwang wrote: post #63
lelandfe wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Large promoters who regularly throw events or have the budget for larger events would use their own promotion mechanisms No (at least in the US) - it’s because of exclusive contracts with the ticketing platforms. Whereas you can list on RA and other platforms too, the biggest clubs and venues get lucrative deals with eg AXS to only list tickets on their platform.

That's ticketing. There's plenty of listings on RA that don't use RA's ticketing service. Large promoters that use or have exclusivity deals with AXS or Ticketmaster/LiveNation or Dice still advertise/promote on platforms like Facebook/Instagram, EDM Train, Radiate, etc alongside the ticketing platform's promotion platforms.

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