Too cute for the price tag. But seriously bad design choice of having a plug port in the trunk. Looks like you could close it and lock it, but still.
Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car
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Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car
#62Some choice quotes: > Prices for a TC2 start at €44.500 excluding taxes (€53.854 including 21% btw/Dutch tax). > The Carice TC2 complies with the European regulations and can therefore be driven in all EU countries and countries that adopt those regulations, like Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Monaco and Norway.
Saw that. It's a plaything for the wealthy, not anything like the small spartan EV that we really need.
For something of the value proposition of an Mazda MX5 with Nissan Figaro styling, I mean it's not terribly far off the mark. If you want the average Top Gear readers budget choice, the Renault 5 with 255 miles of WLTP range is about €32-34k as an 'everyman' Supermini without serious compromises in any particular area.
Short of getting some sub-BYD CDM manufacturer to compete directly, there's not much scope out there to cut much further than that for an acceptable 2+2 QOL car in 2025. Mainly I can see the likes of Dacia cutting corners in the interior to crew-cab standard and releasing a low-tide mark EV like their proposed 'Hipster'.
Dacia has stated that the target price for the entry-level Hipster is planned at around €12-15k - undercutting Dacia's most affordable electric model, the Spring, with an entry RRP of around €18,000 euros.
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/10/dacia-hipster-previews-dir...
Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car
#631) Cool, i hope they get lots of orders. 2) We're not past the 'zero emissions' rhetoric? I get evals 'at the tailpipe,' yet i think we've come past that line of thinking (e.g. Fairphone's Cameroon country outline inside the phone, behind the battery cover) 3) Will be interesting to compare results to other cars, e.g. Slate, which approach a similar need/desire from a remarkably different angle.
What's the issue with the zero emissions rhetoric?
I guess the complaint is that electricity production is not zero emissions in most of the world, so it could be considered misleading.
I don't think it makes sense, ICE vehicle emission ratings have never included the drilling, refining, and transportation of fuel, and the alternative is for every vehicle to just advertise "unknown emissions" because it's impossible for the manufacturer to know anything beyond what the vehicle itself produces.
Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a BYD Seal and this was as simple as removing the SIM (it's in the armrest compartment and just pops out).
I mean, even back in the OnStar days, you could "opt out" and cancel the service and it would track you anyway. With BYD or any other car maker, I'd be worried the SIM was a placebo.
What would the car maker gain from adding a decoy sim?
Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a BYD Seal and this was as simple as removing the SIM (it's in the armrest compartment and just pops out).
I mean, even back in the OnStar days, you could "opt out" and cancel the service and it would track you anyway. With BYD or any other car maker, I'd be worried the SIM was a placebo.
This is where things like a HackRF or flipper zero are useful - leave a scan running over 24 hours from multiple fixed locations within the vehicle and you can detect if there are any wireless transmissions, and then triangulate on exactly where they come from using several pieces of yarn cut to the length of estimated distance from the source.
Cars should be independent, local only devices. Having cloud dependencies is just reckless and stupid.
Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car
#66I like the idea, and we need variety in the market to keep things evolving, but I like the bells and whistles. I just don't want it to phone home. Honestly, I want the title to be 'we don't have a network connection and we can still be a car'. Privacy is my #1 feature.
A data connection still has tangible benefits e.g. remotely starting the AC/heating, live status of chargers / route planning, online map updates, eCall etc
Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car
#67Some specs about the car: - 31.5kWh - 630kg - 300km (186mi) range This review explains the concept behind the car in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTzuUrdyIc
Pros: Proper EV motor scream. Cons: 56HP.
Yeah, the unfortunate reality with EVs is power and weight are tightly correlated, since the power output is limited by the batteries, and more battery capacity generally means more power output.
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#68Would be great to read about it but my residential internet has apparently been blocked for "malicious activity".
It looks like a kit car version of a Porsche 356 crossed with a Nissan Figaro.
It actually looks rather more expensive than it is - it's about 44,000EUR putting it at the same sort of money as a Focus ST. Expensive toy, but not horribly so.
Unsure what it's based on, probably (like the Figaro) some fairly inexpensive existing car's subframes.
Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, even back in the OnStar days, you could "opt out" and cancel the service and it would track you anyway. With BYD or any other car maker, I'd be worried the SIM was a placebo.
What would the car maker gain from adding a decoy sim?
analytics. same thing anyone that collects data gets. how they use it might be different. most use it to monetize the data. some might actually use it to improve things. because some do use for making money, those that do for actual improving will always be deemed suspect
Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car
#70Would be great to read about it but my residential internet has apparently been blocked for "malicious activity".
From the pictures, this is the kind of vehicle that you would gladly pay extra to have delivered to your second vacation home so you can park it next to your 6 other semi-exotic cars and drive it half a mile to the country club on Saturdays. If that is not your demographic, they might have geo-located your IP and blocked you based on the median income of your area. (Only half joking.)
It's about 44 grand. It's definitely not "country club" money.
Not a hell of a lot more than say a Fiat 500E convertible, and quite a bit cooler.