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Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Did you know that the State of California has a DNA sample from every person born in the state since 1983? It's required by law for the hospital to collect it and give it to the state.

The trick is that you don't elect someone like Donald Trump. I just read on the BBC that the president of America threatened New Yorkers not to vote for Mamdani.

People in the Netherlands trust their government because noone in the 500 years of history has ever gotten close to getting dictatorial power unless you count Napoleon and Hitler.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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The problem with these types of technologies is that you will be at the mercy of whoever uses them. It's like chat control, censorship, gun laws, etc. You can't control how they will be leveraged.

I lived in California for some time a few years ago, and it was a mess, so I understand people being okay with this type of stuff if it will make them more secure, but it's a very risky slippery slope.

The other thing is that with all the data Google has, they can probably uncover everything they need just by paying for Google Ads data :/

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point, at least a third of the country always thinks an authoritarian is in power.

FWIW, I've believed we've had an authoritarian in power for quite a while now. Obama, Trump, Biden, and Bush have all tried and succeeded in expanding executive power. They've all engaged in extrajudicial killings overseas. Nothing sets me off like seeing people think this behavior from Trump doesn't have shared roots across both parties. Biden kept kids in cages. Obama bombed weddings. Yes, the current admin is acce…

Authoritarianism by definition is about controlling all the forms of power, not about expanding one.

Nor it has anything to do with what countries do around the world. You can be democratically elected, law abiding, not overreach and bomb weddings abroad, those are not related.

US has the same constitutional weakness of the countries that went authoritarian in the last decades: a presidential republic.

There's one thing that Russia, Belarus, Philippines, Tunisia, Turkey, Nicaragua made constitutionally simpler to allow authoritarianism to happen, they gave the country a president elected by the government.

Thus enabling: - personality cult - hard to remove individuals - claiming popular mandate despite anything - deadlocks

All those situations are breeding grounds for chaos.

Say what you want about slow Europe, but it's hard, very hard to pull this stuff here where most countries don't have popular elections for presidents.

In parliamentary republics those shifts are very difficult and are generally centred on party-ism, so identification between state and party.

This is the Indian and Hungarian playbook, as the constitutions don't allow individuals to power grab with ease, it's a very tougher game to succeed.

You don't win an election and start firing executive orders and stretching their limits while courts get to decide what the limits are.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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EU's recently rejected chat control looks like child's play compared to this. These are some Stasi methods that are going to destroy the US if implemented. Europe already went through creating dossier on citizens in the past, the next immediate step is always fascism. Nothing good comes out of fascism, as the history showed.

To be honest, one could argue that places like Singapore turned on amazingly well by most metrics.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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It's weird how many people's perception of this type of behavior is shaped by the person sitting in the White House. EDIT: It's also weird how my comment is being perceived exclusively as criticizing the critics of this administration rather than criticizing the supporters of this overreach. My comment was intentional phrased very generally, if you think it is specifically about you, that reveals something about you.

It's also weird how people gatekeep resistance on the basis of their perception that it's motivated by the person sitting in the White House. If people are ready to resist now, let's welcome them, rather than questioning whether their motives are related to some tangentially related disagreement.

>It's also weird how people gatekeep resistance on the basis of their perception that it's motivated by the person sitting in the White House.

Because let's be real here, whether such discussion is allowed to stand or is shut down in a politically fairly homogenous community is typically a direct reflection of that fact. You see the same thing on the opposite side of the isle.

>If people are ready to resist now, let's welcome them, rather than questioning whether their motives are related to some tangentially related disagreement.

You have to draw a line somewhere. This sort of shortsighted expediency based politics is how we got the current political parties.

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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One thing that i would prefer in biometrics would be that the iris/fingerprints get treated as what they are publicly available and easily obtainable data.

At worst using it a a secret key is similar to using your name as a hidden variable for authorisation, whent it sshould strictly be a identification token.And once leaked you cant revoke it .

Back on topic , a Gattaca type system is unbelievably bleak and when(not if) it is finallly shoved through.It wont take long to foist it on the rest of the planet (see the recent visa requirements viz social media and insane bond requirements demanded of some countries like Mali citizens being asked for $15K per visa application).

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

#68
post #42

Hilariously, this is the second Sam that wants to collect everyones iris's for nefarious purposes

This WorldCoin image will forever live rent free in my head:

https://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/08...

Re: Uncle Sam wants to scan your iris and collect your DNA, citizen or not

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post #15

Did you know that the State of California has a DNA sample from every person born in the state since 1983? It's required by law for the hospital to collect it and give it to the state.

I just got back from the Millennium Seed Bank in the UK and was marveling at the size of a small footprint facility that stores samples of more than 10% of all known living plants.

Reading this thread, I was curious about what the size of California's sample collection looks like. I made an estimate using a little 1ul vial and an estimated 40 million people born in California since 1930. 100 samples in each box means 400,000 boxes. It's something like a 60 foot by 60 foot room with shelving.

If you extended it to a bank of 100 billion (about all humans ever born), that gets you to a pretty low tech solution that stores samples in the footprint of five Costcos.

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