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Singapore to cane scammers as billions lost in financial crimes

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Re: Singapore to cane scammers as billions lost in financial crimes

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Meanwhile, the US carries out extrajudicial killings over drugs

It's not at all clear they they're not just killing fishermen and migrants.

I'm sure incidents happen, but I doubt there's many uses for privates in south America to own private submarines.

Re: Singapore to cane scammers as billions lost in financial crimes

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I’ve never been there but whenever I read something about it I get the vibe that they’re an HOA with a military.

Not really. They are famous for having a lot of rules, but the instances where they really go wild are when someone has been particularly egregious. For the most part it is just insanely materialistic as the main downside. Most of the "harsh" rules make a tremendous amount of sense when you actually go there. Yeah, gum and spitting are illegal, and that is a good thing in a city as crowded as that with a significant…

> Yeah, gum […] illegal […]

This trope, long exhausted and repeatedly regurgitated, persists despite the reality having shifted considerably.

In truth, chewing gum has been legally obtainable in Singapore for a long time and is available for purchase through local pharmacies.

Re: Singapore to cane scammers as billions lost in financial crimes

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It’s practically a one party state, no? And I’ve heard lots of stories of protesters getting disappeared after the police arrest them. Easy to say these things.

They are a one party state, but not for lack of trying. It just turns out that turning a country from a fishing village to a world-class economy in a couple decades buys you a lot of good will from the voters.

a one party state is not the problem. you don't need multiple parties to allow multiple opinions and dissent. all they would need to do is to allow dissenting votes within the party (which, as another commenter noted, the don't, so that's hardly lack of trying), and allow everyone to join the party without requiring any allegiance to party rules that go beyond allegiance to the country itself.

china could do the same btw. china also, as far as i heard, does allow dissent within the party.

Re: Singapore to cane scammers as billions lost in financial crimes

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And yet the average Singaporean is freer economically, socially, and ideologically.

No freedom of press, no freedom of speech, no freedom of assembly, government owns/operates roughly ⅓ of the economy that features many state monopolies, the PAP maintains a gerrymandered control over the electorate, criticizing the government lands you in court for defamation and conveniently bankrupts can't run for parliament. Singapore is many things but not none of what you've written.

So it's like Europe but ten times better.

Most countries are going to fall flat compared to the United States. Singapore is pretty amazing.

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Singapore is an odd country. The only country, to my knowledge, that had independence thrust upon it without its consent. Extremely prosperous compared to its neighbors. An autocratic, single party state where the government is so popular that they need to rig their elections against themselves to get dissenting voices. One of the most militarized countries (#3 by military spending per capita) in the world, yet their…

I’ve never been there but whenever I read something about it I get the vibe that they’re an HOA with a military.

William Gibson got a lifetime ban for calling it "Disney with the death penalty" in a Wired article.

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> "The country also passed a new law earlier this year that would allow the police to control the bank accounts of individuals who they suspect to be scam targets and limit what transactions they can do." This is crazy to me. How far are we willing to go in terms of restricting freedoms for safety?

But this is just part of how Singapore is different than America and Europe. China has even stricter controls in terms of limiting what individuals can do with their bank accounts (you can't transfer money to non-Chinese-citizens at all!). Western countries put enormous value on personal liberty — America probably the most so, but even EU countries are extremely liberal in a liberty sense compared to historical norms…

> Western countries put enormous value on personal liberty — America probably the most so

Ah yes, nothing screams valuing personal freedom like having 2 million people *in prison* right now in US. A rate of what, one every 140 adults?

And nothing screams personal freedom like spying every single of it's citizens or hacking every single chip on this planet.

Hell, US respects your freedom so much, you can't even renounce their citizenship!!

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If you live in Singapore: don't ask us! If you disagree, vote against the government, and/or get out on the streets and protest! If you don't live in Singapore: it's not your problem.

Human rights are everyone's problem.

Thank you for this good response to my shit comment. It was intended to make some point along these lines, but, reading it again, it completely didn't.

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If you live in Singapore: don't ask us! If you disagree, vote against the government, and/or get out on the streets and protest! If you don't live in Singapore: it's not your problem.

It’s practically a one party state, no? And I’ve heard lots of stories of protesters getting disappeared after the police arrest them. Easy to say these things.

I did indeed have exactly these sorts of things in mind - but I should have spent more time iterating on my comment, the end result possibly being not to post any comment at all, because it didn't end up coming out as intended. I'll refer you to my other reply here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45818568

Re: Singapore to cane scammers as billions lost in financial crimes

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I’ve never been there but whenever I read something about it I get the vibe that they’re an HOA with a military.

William Gibson got a lifetime ban for calling it "Disney with the death penalty" in a Wired article.

That's really interesting, because the Disney comparison could only be considered positive, and the death penalty thing is strictly speaking a fact and public knowledge.

Re: Singapore to cane scammers as billions lost in financial crimes

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Singapore is an odd country. The only country, to my knowledge, that had independence thrust upon it without its consent. Extremely prosperous compared to its neighbors. An autocratic, single party state where the government is so popular that they need to rig their elections against themselves to get dissenting voices. One of the most militarized countries (#3 by military spending per capita) in the world, yet their…

> An autocratic, single party state where the government is so popular that they need to rig their elections against themselves to get dissenting voices.

It's not a single party state. Over 1/3rd of Singaporeans vote for the non-PAP candidates.

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