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SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominant mobile OSes

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Re: SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominant mobile OSes

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What distinguishes, say, a mobile OS from a more traditional desktop OS?

What would not be acceptable in a tuned/configured Linux / Windows OS on a smaller-form-factor touch- and voice-enabled device?

I'm excepting the obvious issue raised elsewhere of closed app stores and the tendency for ever more interactions (commercial, government, educational, institutional) to rely on these. That discussion has been had many times and is if I may suggest relevant, but stale.

Re: SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominant mobile OSes

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I have been using SailfishOS phones as my main driver for ten years now. Some random, personal, possibly uninformed thoughts: - It is not for everyone. Some Linux experience and willingness to tinker with it is helpful. - Despite the many limitations, I love the UI, the spirit, the platform, and the community. I fear the day where I have to switch to a different OS. - Many Android apps can be run via the AlienDalvik/…

> Jolla, the Finnish company behind SailfishOS is tiny and had to let go a lot of engineers and supporting staff a few years ago. Development has slowed down significantly.

This is so sad and unfortunate to hear.

Re: SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominant mobile OSes

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Many years ago I backed the Jolla Tablet, which never shipped and they never gave me a refund. At the time the company kept pretending like things were perfectly fine with every update right until they let everyone know that the project was being cancelled. There was zero transparency and accountability, and from that day I vowed to never support this company ever again. I would've been fine if the project had failed…

FWIW, I actually received my Jolla Tablet (albeit delayed). Your are right that Jolla is sometimes less transparent and professional than one would expect. However, I realize that Jolla is also under much more scrutiny by the community than other tech companies, and some people demand ridiculous levels of transparency/quality/features.

Re: SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominant mobile OSes

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I would seriously consider SailfishOS if it shipped on decent (recent) hardware that was available in the US. The last good experience I had with it was on the Xperia XA2, but that hardware was turned into ewaste by the VoLTE requirements of US carriers. Although they claim to run on more recent Xperia phones, they don't have full hardware support, and aren't on the most recent models. If I'm going to pay for a phone…

Gosh I miss my XA2.

XA2 was the perfect fit for my hand. I cracked the screen pretty badly, but now it has a second life as a timelapse shooter :)

Recently I bought another to have a spare. Cost me 50 €.

Re: SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominant mobile OSes

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As cool as this is there won't be an European alternative as long as all the apps you'd want to use on a smartphone require either Google Play or the Apple App store.

Huawei just created new OS and removed all traces of Android and Linux. Just like that. If there is will, it is possible.

Can it run all of the kinds of apps that people (in the EU/US markets, which is relevant to the discussion at hand) actually want to run? SalifishOS doesn't even do that, at least not for me.

Re: SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominant mobile OSes

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I would seriously consider SailfishOS if it shipped on decent (recent) hardware that was available in the US. The last good experience I had with it was on the Xperia XA2, but that hardware was turned into ewaste by the VoLTE requirements of US carriers. Although they claim to run on more recent Xperia phones, they don't have full hardware support, and aren't on the most recent models. If I'm going to pay for a phone…

Gosh I miss my XA2.

The battery life was insane for the time.

Re: SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominant mobile OSes

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post #57

I have been using SailfishOS phones as my main driver for ten years now. Some random, personal, possibly uninformed thoughts: - It is not for everyone. Some Linux experience and willingness to tinker with it is helpful. - Despite the many limitations, I love the UI, the spirit, the platform, and the community. I fear the day where I have to switch to a different OS. - Many Android apps can be run via the AlienDalvik/…

> Jolla, the Finnish company behind SailfishOS is tiny and had to let go a lot of engineers and supporting staff a few years ago. Development has slowed down significantly. This is so sad and unfortunate to hear.

This feels like the sort of thing the EU should be giving grants to, especially now that digital sovereignty is something people started to care about

Re: SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominant mobile OSes

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Funnily enough the only viable deployment was AuroraOS in Russia , which they cut ties with after the war started (pretty shortsighted IMO) as the equivalent US ops merely paused their operations with options for future return. I think Google only stopped monetization of play store from Visa/MC CC ban , while maintianing their operations there. Meanwhile the sailfish guys set their largest successful deployment on fi…

It's an open source project that nobody is getting rich off of, so voluntarily cutting ties with the Russian market doesn't present the sort of moral dilemma that TAM-obsessed, locked-down, for-profit OSes worry about.

AuroraOS was very much a commercial errand by Jolla Oy, not some open source volunteers hacking on it in their free time.

https://www-sttinfo-fi.translate.goog/tiedote/54712711/sailf...

Re: SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominant mobile OSes

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post #58

I would seriously consider SailfishOS if it shipped on decent (recent) hardware that was available in the US. The last good experience I had with it was on the Xperia XA2, but that hardware was turned into ewaste by the VoLTE requirements of US carriers. Although they claim to run on more recent Xperia phones, they don't have full hardware support, and aren't on the most recent models. If I'm going to pay for a phone…

Well you'll need to talk to your monopolistic carriers then. US mobile innovation is dead for the foreseeable future due to them, all new innovation is happening in China and other SE Asian markets. You just need to be a good consumer and buy that iPhone that Verizon orders you to have with their blessing.

Huh? You think that the VoLTE requirement is something unique to the US? What new innovations are you referring to by the way?

Re: SailfishOS: A Linux-based European alternative to dominant mobile OSes

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Many years ago I backed the Jolla Tablet, which never shipped and they never gave me a refund. At the time the company kept pretending like things were perfectly fine with every update right until they let everyone know that the project was being cancelled. There was zero transparency and accountability, and from that day I vowed to never support this company ever again. I would've been fine if the project had failed…

Not just the lack of transparency, they went bankrupt after the tablet fiasco (never refunded most of the people) and bought by some investment firm connections to the Russian state (not the thing you want from a privacy-friendly product / system) what they tried to keep secret.

AFAIK they have bought by some other company (again) since then, but they have basically nothing. Most of their Sailfish OS is actually closed source (like AOSP vs all the apps from Google), they don't have any hardware, they just re-flash some phone from Sony.

I had high hopes for them, but now wouldn't even touch them with a stick. Pixel with GrapheneOS seems to be a much better choice and maybe even closer to their original ideologies.

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