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Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by bombcar »

johncolanduoni wrote: post #50
eigen wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But it seems like certain jobs are funded for the duration anyway (infamously, members of Congress are one). I think thats due to the 27th Amendment [1] > No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened. can't change (or stop) congressional pay until an election. guess it's a double-edged sword they…

But they’re not the only ones - apparently federal judges and some high-level political appointees are authorized to be paid during the shutdown. There’s some other mechanism for not rug-pulling federal paychecks.

Apparently it can also depend how funds were sent and if they have other sources.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by [deleted] »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #35
ipython wrote: post #30

My concern is that we will end up in a state of perpetual government "shutdown". The republicans, instead of reopening the entire government, will simply choose agencies to fund in order to keep the pain felt by the American people just low enough so they don't get fired (ala office space). Once that happens, Congress has basically iced itself out. Oversight from unfriendly government agencies? No worries, they're sh…

I think if this was the plan, the right would be insisting on something more outlandish than a clean CR.

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Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by paulryanrogers »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #48
rogerrogerr wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if this was the plan, the right would be insisting on something more outlandish than a clean CR.

> clean CR So dastardly that no one seems to be able to explain how dastardly it is.

'Clean' CR after they already rammed through their whole agenda in a huge bill that threatened worse cuts if the government shutdown. Yet it seems they cut with or without a shutdown.

Republicans have proven they won't follow the same rules and aren't negotiating in good faith.

They'll do whatever they can get away with, and if bad things happen (whether they are opposed or not) then it's anyone else's fault.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by shadowgovt »

gruez wrote: post #16
johncolanduoni wrote: post #8

The things that are and aren’t considered essential enough to fund during a government shutdown are insane. Is this enshrined in a statute somewhere? Feels like adding air traffic controllers to that list should be a no-brainer (and broadly politically popular).

>Is this enshrined in a statute somewhere? Feels like adding air traffic controllers to that list should be a no-brainer (and broadly politically popular). They are considered essential. That means they have to work, but not be paid. https://time.com/7329683/government-shutdown-flight-delays-c...

So what happens if they don't show up? Are they at risk of jail or at risk of being fired and replaced by the new recruit, Michael McDoesnt-Exist (https://www.aviationtoday.com/2025/07/25/americas-atc-meltdo...)?

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by billy99k »

ipython wrote: post #30

My concern is that we will end up in a state of perpetual government "shutdown". The republicans, instead of reopening the entire government, will simply choose agencies to fund in order to keep the pain felt by the American people just low enough so they don't get fired (ala office space). Once that happens, Congress has basically iced itself out. Oversight from unfriendly government agencies? No worries, they're sh…

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Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by otterley »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #23
otterley wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any flights that are to depart for JFK but are still on the ground must stay put until the expiration or cancellation of the stop. No, it doesn’t impact other airports.

Any disruption at one major airport affects pretty much all the airports, if it lasts long enough. Those grounded planes will soon be expected elsewhere.

Agreed - but they’re not directly impacted by this ground stop.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by johncolanduoni »

crm9125 wrote: post #51
johncolanduoni wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if you want the economy to keep functioning. A lot of people doing real work (e.g. engineers flying out to fix medical devices) rely on air travel.

More people will die if the democrats capitulate, than those from malfunctioning medicals devices (or other reasons). I think you should do more research to understand the true cause and effect of the decisions in the current situation the U.S. finds itself in.

I’m not arguing they should capitulate - I’m arguing that we should fund ATC (and some other things) like we do Congress’s salaries. Or just authorize current spending levels by default if Congress shits the bed and simply not have this insane brinksmanship.

I happen to agree on the object level issue of maintaining the Medicaid funding. Thanks for talking down to me, though.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

johnfn wrote: post #43
tombert wrote: post #21

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I got in trouble at a BigCo because I said "we all do this for the money", and they claimed that I had a "bad attitude". But I don't think I was wrong. Work is fundamentally a business transaction; I sell my time and expertise and they give me money and benefits. Ultimately for any job I've had, even jobs that I really loved, if they stopped paying me I'd stop showing up [1]. It's nothing personal, that's just the tr…

I mean, if I heard you say that, I would probably think you had a "bad attitude" as well. Yes, getting paid is an important part of your job, but presumably you could get paid at many different places, and you choose the one you work at because it has additional benefits on top of a purely transactional relationship. It's like telling your girlfriend you're dating her because she's really hot. I'm sure that factored…

There are a few privileged folks that get to work a job for those other benefits. The majority take whatever they can get because they need to eat.

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by hnburnsy »

Advisory 27, Ground stop was lifted, Disregard Expected Departure Clearance Times for flights destined to JFK.

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ATCSCC ADVZY 027 JFK/ZNY 10/31/2025 CDM GROUND DELAY PROGRAM CNX MESSAGE:

CTL ELEMENT: JFK ELEMENT TYPE: APT ADL TIME: 0252Z GDP CNX PERIOD: 31/0252Z - 31/1517Z DISREGARD EDCTS FOR DEST JFK COMMENTS: EFFECTIVE TIME:

310256-311617 SIGNATURE:

25/10/31 02:56

Re: Ground stop at JFK due to staffing

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Post by paulryanrogers »

billy99k wrote: post #65
ipython wrote: post #30

My concern is that we will end up in a state of perpetual government "shutdown". The republicans, instead of reopening the entire government, will simply choose agencies to fund in order to keep the pain felt by the American people just low enough so they don't get fired (ala office space). Once that happens, Congress has basically iced itself out. Oversight from unfriendly government agencies? No worries, they're sh…

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They control all three branches of government. How is it anyone else's fault?
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