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ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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The irony of doing this while covering their own faces

That's fine, as long as they aren't making anyone remove face coverings. People are allowed to cover their faces in public places. And we can't tell from this biased article whether they had probable cause to stop anyone that they did.

What they have said previously is that they consider someone looking hispanic as probable cause. I don't see any reason to give them the benefit of the doubt here.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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post #6

The irony of doing this while covering their own faces

What's ironic about it? That's like saying it's ironic for soldiers to fire their guns while in a trench. They're doing things unto others that they would not have done unto them.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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The absolutely outrageous thing is that apparently they are instructed to ignore all other evidence of citizenship if that app says someone is not a citizen. So even if you have your birth certificate ready, doesn't matter. This is completely lawless. From the article: > He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and…

Biometrics are more protected in IL than an other states as well. Facebook settled a big lawsuit just for automatically tagging people (actually the suit was about storing the biometric face data at all without consent)

They are. BIPA is top rate. I looked at the statute, which excludes Illinois state and local government entities, but does not talk of federal bodies. I don't know enough about the supremacy of federal statutes to know how that works, and most discussions note that the statute excludes "the government" which is not totally accurate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biometric_Information_Privacy_...

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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post #6

The irony of doing this while covering their own faces

That's fine, as long as they aren't making anyone remove face coverings. People are allowed to cover their faces in public places. And we can't tell from this biased article whether they had probable cause to stop anyone that they did.

Nahhh… hiding the identities of public officials isn’t ok in my book.

It’s not an “ok for me if it’s ok for you” situation.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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post #29

I think Family guy had a gag about this... https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart

that has nothing to do with this

That's what they say, but of course they would say that.

It's like that old Groucho joke: Who are you going to believe? Me, or your lyin' eyes?

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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The absolutely outrageous thing is that apparently they are instructed to ignore all other evidence of citizenship if that app says someone is not a citizen. So even if you have your birth certificate ready, doesn't matter. This is completely lawless. From the article: > He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and…

People can look identical, that's the reason we started using finger prints. Faces are not unique.

My friend (who has an identical twin) was joking about scanning himself into Cameo mode on Sora and making some goofy videos and saying they were his brother.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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'Katz v. United States' was quite clear - you have no expectation of privacy in public. Anyone may photograph you and use said photos. Do I like it? No. But that is the current caselaw in USA. "What a person knowingly exposes to the public [...] is not a subject of Fourth Amendment protection." - Justice Potter in 'Katz v. United States'

Taking photo is one thing, storing biometrics to compare against without consent is quite another Illinois has the Biometric Information Privacy Act. https://www.ilga.gov/Legislation/ILCS/Articles?ActID=3004&Ch...

Fair. If anything is stored, it likely would be illegal in some states.
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