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AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Re: AI Pullback Has Officially Started

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Post by rsynnott »

Madmallard wrote: post #15
moomoo11 wrote: post #7

AI (LLM) is useful for coding and I use it to lookup various articles or websites and summarize. Use it where it works.. ignore the agents hype and other bullshit peddled by 19yo dropouts. Unlike the 19yo dropouts of the 2010s these guys have brain rot and I don’t trust them after having talked to such people at start up events and getting their black pill takes. They have products that don’t work and lie about numbe…

On this website on another thread there is a principal software engineer at Microsoft who wrote an essay on how agent systems are amplifying all of the employees productivity massively even on large complex tasks.

I mean, MS is _deep_ into this; “company who is going to plow literally one hundred billion dollars into thing in the next year says thing is just great” is not _terribly_ convincing, honestly.

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Post by rsynnott »

panny wrote: post #22

There are a lot of people invested in AI, so they are cheerleaders. There are way more people who didn't invest, who are sour grapes and want to see it fail. I'm neither of these people, but it's a democracy after all. I think AI is due for another winter.

I am, due to broad index funds, more invested in ‘AI’ than I would like. Still think it’s largely snake oil.

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Post by ethbr1 »

iainctduncan wrote: post #42

I personally think a big factor here (i.e., on HN discussions) is that, to programmers, gen-AI seems amazing because we happen to do something it appears to do well and which can be useful if we supervise it. But really, typing up the code has always been the low-skill part of the job! Anyone who's been in the biz 10 years or more knows that that new coders can create code that seems ok but actually creates nightmare…

> But really, typing up the code has always been the low-skill part of the job!

I once heard this put in the context of engineer-code vs software-developer-code:

A professional software developer's skill isn't writing working code (anyone with enough time and intelligence can do that), but rather writing maintainable, efficient working code.

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Post by iainctduncan »

y0eswddl wrote: post #46
iainctduncan wrote: post #42

I personally think a big factor here (i.e., on HN discussions) is that, to programmers, gen-AI seems amazing because we happen to do something it appears to do well and which can be useful if we supervise it. But really, typing up the code has always been the low-skill part of the job! Anyone who's been in the biz 10 years or more knows that that new coders can create code that seems ok but actually creates nightmare…

...except a significant number of us programmers also think it's BS. The pullback also includes less use in development automation lately as well.

I'm actually with you on that one to be honest.

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Post by mitigation87 »

I often wonder how much code people are generating at once to get such poor quality. I'm usually doing one behavior on a class/classes at a time and get great results. It's a bit longer and a little more tedious but by the time I am done the context window is refined enough that it can write my tests with ease.

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Post by player1234 »

sega_sai wrote: post #25

I find these sorts of takes to be tiresome. It is absolutely true there is a lot of hype around AI. Also it is true that many AI companies try to shove AI into everything without necessarily thinking wherer it is a good idea or whether it useful (talking to you Google). Notwithstanding this it is absolutely clear how transformational the technology is. For low skill tasks it can certainly substitute people and save a…

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