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How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by spencerflem »

nostrebored wrote: post #60
spencerflem wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a very useful line in the sand. No Gen AI anywhere near art. Once you add in a level of nuance, youre bickering about the degree which is far worse argument to be having, tactically.

So you're saying your perception of what is or isn't art is ideologically motivated? That seems like the worse "tactical" argument. Why don't we scrap anything that uses ableton because it makes art sterile [1][2]. Or maybe anything that uses autotune [3]. Maybe we can have stickers that say "AI free". Or maybe the fact that suno is a distribution platform that doesn't encourage creation of the _form_ of art that tha…

Yes, I oppose AI ideologically.

If you are against most uses but want to introduce nuance, my argument is that doing so normalizes the use for the majority of cases you do oppose and makes it harder to organize opposition.

If you’re cool with AI in all cases we don’t have much to talk about.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by RobotToaster »

babblingfish wrote: post #57

This brings up an interesting philosophical question about AI assistance for those with disabilities. It reminds me of the debate when NanoWriMo said they would allow AI assistance for similar reasons. We could make an argument based on equity. AI assistance levels the playing field. Something doesn't quite sit right with me though. Last weekend I was watching a band perform where each member of the band had down syn…

> I can't help but feeling those who use AI assistance are unknowingly capping their upside.

You could use the same argument for using a calculator instead of doing mental arithmetic.

Or an artist using a printer instead of using oil paints.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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babblingfish wrote: post #57

This brings up an interesting philosophical question about AI assistance for those with disabilities. It reminds me of the debate when NanoWriMo said they would allow AI assistance for similar reasons. We could make an argument based on equity. AI assistance levels the playing field. Something doesn't quite sit right with me though. Last weekend I was watching a band perform where each member of the band had down syn…

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Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by babblingfish »

RobotToaster wrote: post #62
babblingfish wrote: post #57

This brings up an interesting philosophical question about AI assistance for those with disabilities. It reminds me of the debate when NanoWriMo said they would allow AI assistance for similar reasons. We could make an argument based on equity. AI assistance levels the playing field. Something doesn't quite sit right with me though. Last weekend I was watching a band perform where each member of the band had down syn…

> I can't help but feeling those who use AI assistance are unknowingly capping their upside. You could use the same argument for using a calculator instead of doing mental arithmetic. Or an artist using a printer instead of using oil paints.

We have to distinguish between craft and when we need a functional outcome.

Personally, I'm not interested in the craft of mental math. When I'm trying to calculate the tip I want the answer quickly so I can move on with my life. But if you care about the craft of mental math, then by all means, go for it

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by NewsaHackO »

doug_durham wrote: post #39
jstummbillig wrote: post #32

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I have come to understand the usage of "slop" as possibly the sloppiest thing of all: Something that looks like critique, if it were not so entirely devoid of content.

It is the absolute "sloppiest". It's just become a lazy ill-considered critique worth nothing.

Yeah, arguments about “slop” have definitely devolved lately. Maybe it’s strange (or just typical human behavior), but using “AI = slop” as the only reason to dismiss something and refuse to engage in a discussion clearly parallels the way some people use AI to spam feeds.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by nostrebored »

viccis wrote: post #55

My honest review, as a musician who has spent many years of my life making music and both giving and receiving blunt critique: Stunningly mediocre. Worthy of a Pitchfork 1/10. If your choice truly is between having AI make "art" that you pass off as your own vs not doing so, then please remember that, as a wise man once said, an artist understands the silence that serves as the foundation of creativity. I can't see h…

If you could distill what you were trying to make and describe each piece, making it uniquely yours, is the fact that it went from an f(intent) -> output a reason to treat it as derivative?

I'm not claiming that Suno is there yet, but assuming that it cannot get there seems strange to me, given that the anthology of music is pretty well represented digitally.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by embedding-shape »

QuercusMax wrote: post #59
embedding-shape wrote: post #22

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> suno's model cannot possibly be aware of how AI is being treated I don't know exactly what training material went into Suno's models, but if it includes random collections of text from the internet, it could very well have included "man, AI is fucking stupid and I treat it as such" in it's training datasets. Now I won't claim that that suddenly makes the models "aware" of it, because surely we'll understand "aware"…

Aren't we talking about the auditory quality of the generated vocals ? I'm don't understand how you could possibly think the textual training data could possibly impact the perceived vocal strain (which are actually just artifacts) of the generated vocals.

Don't they have models that do text-to-speech and maybe even audio/speech-to-text? If so, there is surely text in the datasets, otherwise I'm not sure how they'd accomplish something like that.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by ares623 »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #58
doug_durham wrote: post #42

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Let people have fun.

I think this technology is a net gain for the elderly. It's so easy to be creative and have great results.

I mean sure, if you ignore all the negative externalities then it is a net gain for everyone.

Re: How AI gave me my voice back – an artist's review of Suno Studio

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Post by bigyabai »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #9
varispeed wrote: post #2

This is a nice toy and for sure great entertainment, but even with user aid it came out with generic slop. I can't see artistic value in this.

Most modern music us generic slop, especially pop music. If he likes making it and others like listening to it, isn't that the point of a hobby?

Most != all. Modern music also gave us some of the most forward-thinking sounds yet to reach the mainstream. When people get comfortable listening to slop, making something genuine or transgressive becomes attractive again.

I think there's merit in worrying that AI-based music will cause artists to lose touch with the creative process, because I agree; a lot of modern music is pointless slop. Lowering the barrier to entry isn't going to fix it, so rationally "human music" hobbyists are coming into contention with "AI music" proponents. I don't think blogs like this one will bridge the divide.

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