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Re: Ovi: Twin backbone cross-modal fusion for audio-video generation

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Post by xmprt »

dragonwriter wrote: post #55
amelius wrote: post #8

How long until we see blockbuster movies produced by a guy in his basement for <$1000?

> How long until we see blockbuster movies produced by a guy in his basement for Probably never. If AI is good enough to cover all the skills needed to do what would currently make a blockbuster movie for less than $1000, the demand for movies will be small enough relative to supply that there will be no such thing as a “blockbuster movie”

I don't believe that consequence. It's never been easier for someone at home to make short videos - see TikTok and YouTube. In fact most people consume most content on those platforms. Yet there's still high demand for movies and blockbuster movies still happen (usually driven by hype on the aforementioned platforms).

On the other hand, I think the quality of movies and expectations will be a lot higher.

Re: Ovi: Twin backbone cross-modal fusion for audio-video generation

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Post by roarcher »

jonplackett wrote: post #54
roarcher wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scientific ideas have the benefit of being objectively true. AI movies are not a "scientific idea". Liking them is a matter of taste, and there are plenty of things that never catch on.

I’d say it’s the other way around - it took 50 years for EVEN A SCIENTIFIC IDEA - with proof to be accepted. That should have happened super quick. But it didn’t. My point is that you and I will probably never accept it - but our kids will never even think it’s weird in the first place.

That's not the other way around, that's my point. A scientific idea will eventually be accepted because its objective truth makes it inevitable in spite of resistance. Wide acceptance of AI movies is no more inevitable than wide acceptance of bellbottom jeans--it's simply a matter of like or dislike. From what I've seen, people have a strong aversion to it and no particular reason to overcome that aversion.

So far not one commenter in this thread has articulated why AI movies are inevitable.

Re: Ovi: Twin backbone cross-modal fusion for audio-video generation

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Post by imiric »

roarcher wrote: post #14
amelius wrote: post #8

How long until we see blockbuster movies produced by a guy in his basement for <$1000?

Never. I've seen people instantly go from liking a static image to disliking it upon learning it was AI generated. The same applies to other kinds of media. No matter how "good" it is, knowing that it was created by an unfeeling algorithm ruins it for most people.

"Never" is quite short-sighted.

Most people would use these tools for personal use, if nothing else. Seeing a celebrity, themselves, their friends, etc., act out any scenario they can think of is quite an appealing proposition. And porn, of course, for better or worse.

In the long-term, this has the potential to significantly change how media is created and consumed. Feature films produced by large studios will undoubtedly continue to exist, and they will also leverage the technology, but it's not difficult to imagine a new branch of personalized media becoming popular. The tools are practically already there; they just need to become more accessible, and slightly better.

Re: Ovi: Twin backbone cross-modal fusion for audio-video generation

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Post by dragonwriter »

xmprt wrote: post #61
dragonwriter wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How long until we see blockbuster movies produced by a guy in his basement for Probably never. If AI is good enough to cover all the skills needed to do what would currently make a blockbuster movie for less than $1000, the demand for movies will be small enough relative to supply that there will be no such thing as a “blockbuster movie”

I don't believe that consequence. It's never been easier for someone at home to make short videos - see TikTok and YouTube. In fact most people consume most content on those platforms. Yet there's still high demand for movies and blockbuster movies still happen (usually driven by hype on the aforementioned platforms). On the other hand, I think the quality of movies and expectations will be a lot higher.

> It's never been easier for someone at home to make short videos - see TikTok and YouTube. In fact most people consume most content on those platforms. Yet there's still high demand for movies and blockbuster movies still happen

This is obviously true, but I don't see how it relates to the question being discussed. "Short videos" and "blockbuster movies" are clearly widely separated categories, despite both being audiovisual content of some kind.

Re: Ovi: Twin backbone cross-modal fusion for audio-video generation

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Post by roarcher »

imiric wrote: post #63
roarcher wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never. I've seen people instantly go from liking a static image to disliking it upon learning it was AI generated. The same applies to other kinds of media. No matter how "good" it is, knowing that it was created by an unfeeling algorithm ruins it for most people.

"Never" is quite short-sighted. Most people would use these tools for personal use, if nothing else. Seeing a celebrity, themselves, their friends, etc., act out any scenario they can think of is quite an appealing proposition. And porn, of course, for better or worse. In the long-term, this has the potential to significantly change how media is created and consumed. Feature films produced by large studios will undou…

Man, am I ever getting tired of replying to the same irrelevant points over and over again.

> Most people would use these tools for personal use

Not what we're talking about. Not "personalized media", not large studios "leveraging the technology", not "visual effects".

See: "blockbuster movies produced by a guy in his basement for <$1000".

Re: Ovi: Twin backbone cross-modal fusion for audio-video generation

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Post by hirako2000 »

nine_k wrote: post #45
heavyset_go wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides people with weird fetishes, who actually enjoys looking at AI "art"?

Photos, movies, animation, recorded music, computer games, CGI props in movies, CGI characters in movies were all denounced as "not real art", until good counter-examples appeared. AI is but a tool; if there is an artist using them, real art can be created, as with any other tool.

Photos initially captured poorly but were still more affordable than paying a master painter, animation give life to static images, recordings allow listeners to play music without the need to attend, CGI makes for cheaper or infeasible reproductions. For all the cases where technology was adopted, it improved over what we had.

So far, Ai generated videos, and arguably photos seem to only please wishful thinkers, or untalented artists dreaming to make it.

I don't imply the tech will never get to the tipping point, but it so far provides so little value we are either many years to go, or it just won't happen.

Let's be an optimist. It will eventually get there. I doubt for any of parallels you made billions of people hammered daily by overblown posts about the upcoming revolution.

The reasons for critiques have a lot to do with promotion fatigue. Hyperboles eventually exhaust their impact.

Re: Ovi: Twin backbone cross-modal fusion for audio-video generation

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Post by aenvoker »

heavyset_go wrote: post #32
amelius wrote: post #8

How long until we see blockbuster movies produced by a guy in his basement for <$1000?

Besides people with weird fetishes, who actually enjoys looking at AI "art"?

I rather enjoyed some of these

https://reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1lq299r/postscarci...

https://reddit.com/r/midjourney/comments/1o6ickx/dreaming_on...

https://reddit.com/r/midjourney/comments/1n6mzig/how_to_buil...

https://reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1nwdjdn/the_perfect_bo...

https://reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1m8a9wz/pinkington_rop...

https://reddit.com/r/aivideo/comments/1n52kut/derek_the_agin...

https://reddit.com/r/midjourney/comments/1muwyah/still_here_...

https://reddit.com/r/DefendingAIArt/comments/1mttoi4/my_not_...

Re: Ovi: Twin backbone cross-modal fusion for audio-video generation

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Post by willyxdjazz »

amelius wrote: post #8

How long until we see blockbuster movies produced by a guy in his basement for <$1000?

When the printing press was invented, people didn’t start creating best-selling hits. Humans have always taken it upon ourselves to define what we consider success. Cheap things will always remain cheap…

Re: Ovi: Twin backbone cross-modal fusion for audio-video generation

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Post by MangoToupe »

crorella wrote: post #48

At this rate, in a few months we will have probably some high quality shorts entirely generated by this.

We'll see. I think we'll see a high quality feature film first though, shorts are notoriously difficult to pull off.

Re: Ovi: Twin backbone cross-modal fusion for audio-video generation

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Post by dweekly »

dragonwriter wrote: post #55
amelius wrote: post #8

How long until we see blockbuster movies produced by a guy in his basement for <$1000?

> How long until we see blockbuster movies produced by a guy in his basement for Probably never. If AI is good enough to cover all the skills needed to do what would currently make a blockbuster movie for less than $1000, the demand for movies will be small enough relative to supply that there will be no such thing as a “blockbuster movie”

The same argument could reasonably be used to explain why no YouTube influencer would ever get more than 1,000 subscribers - if everyone can upload videos that anyone can watch, nobody will really be famous because fame will become very evenly distributed, right?
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