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An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Quitting coffee was a really bad experience for me. I had what felt like withdrawal symptoms: a strong headache, muscle aches, and I was really cold. It lasted for two days, until I took a minuscule sip and everything went away within five minutes. That made me realize the extent to which I was actually addicted, and how dependent my body was on it. I managed to quit and stayed caffeine-free for about a year. But one…

Me with cigarettes and heroin.

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Only slightly related, but I've found that traditionally brewed coffee and espresso give me a ton of anxiety. Tea, energy drinks, and even cold brew don't give me nearly the same level of anxiety. Any hypotheses on what might be going on? This has been an unsolved mystery in my life...

Yeah, the difference is naturally occurring L-theanine.

Energy drinks like Monster add it in to prevent the "jittery" feeling that is associated with coffee. Teas like assam and mate have l-theanine, but I'm not sure about cold brew - maybe it allows for more extraction with the longer brew time?

Some nootropic-minded folks supplement with powdered l-theanine for this reason.

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Finally! A topic that I can directly contribute to!

I quit caffeinated coffee two years ago. A roaster nearby me came out with a decaf single origin that was so good, it not only convinced me that I don't need caf'ed coffee anymore, but it also won the 2024 US Brewers Cup.

During that time, I was also changing my sleep schedule as part of CBTi therapy I was undergoing to fix (or, more accurately, quell) a bout of sleep insomnia. The schedule was "wake up at 05:00 every day, including weekends and holidays."

The standard two weeks of caffeine "hangover" were pretty brutal, but the sleep improvements and lessen jitter were indisputable.

What was equally indisputable were my pronounced bouts of sadness/despair and, consequently, my strengthened desire to be alone. (I, like our cats, tend to want to be alone when something's wrong.) My drive and motivation to work also nosedived. Getting into anything, especially anything mundane, was a real challenge, even after changing my work environment and morning routine.

My ability to even _think_ was compromised. Putting together sentences and recalling phrases was harder. (The ability to do my job, motivation notwithstanding, wasn't affected, though.)

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A new Saturday morning routine helped me connect the dots.

One of my favorite coffee shops opened up in my town recently. They have this coffee drink that is just the absolute best, and the shop itself is very cozy and great for reading. It was only natural that I'd eventually start my Saturday and, now, Sunday mornings there.

That coffee drink is caffeinated, and they didn't have a decaf option. I didn't care. Like the decaf bean that got me started on this whole kick, this was the only drink that I'd make an exception for.

Without fail, I'd be a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSON about 20-30 minutes after finishing that drink.

Happier. Much happier. Talkative. Eager to work. Basically I'd become my old self again.

A shot of espresso did the same thing. It kept me sharp on long road trips and was (is) a fantastic pre-workout for my two hour heavy lifting days.

Coffee basically masked what, I now think, are symptoms of a minor depression. Which adds up: my work experience post-COVID is much worse than it was pre-COVID, the proliferation of AI has really taken a toll on me, and lots of stuff about the world just _feels_ worse.

I now drink caffeine sparingly with tapered draw downs, i.e. 2 cups on Monday, 1 on Tuesday, none on Wednesday and Thursday, 1 on Friday and 2 on Saturday and Sunday. I'm also selective about how I get my caffeine. I don't want to lose the sharpening effect it has or get dependent enough on it to need mountains of the stuff to chase the same benefits. (I know that my baseline will increase, since that's how drugs work.) Like other posters have said, I avoid caffeiene after 14:00, though I'll break this rule if I'm going to be out late, as caffeine has a ~6hr half-life.

Nonetheless, I'm really thankful for the two years of abstinence from it, as it finally convinced me that therapy for _just this_ might be worthwhile.

(My sleep has remained much improved. I no longer get up at 05:00 --- I am 10,000% convinced that I am NOT a morning person --- but I haven't had nearly as much trouble falling and staying asleep. CBTi helped tons, and I recommend it to anyone and everyone struggling with sleep --- after getting a sleep study, of course!)

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Decaf works great for this. I'm like 100% a rat pulling levers now that I'm vaping 0% nicotine and drinking decaf in the morning. If they start ringing bells before lunch I'm done for.

As an alternative perspective I found no good decaf coffee. I tried maybe 8 different coffees, all very well regarded, very hipster, none came close to creating good pour-over coffee. I admit it’s all about expectations but if you’re currently enjoying pretty fancy coffee and want to go decaf you’re going to be disappointed. Decaf black tea was even worse…

You're right in that there is much less variety amongst decaf coffee options, but there are a few good single origins out there.

BlendIn's Los Nogales typica is outstanding. It's the bean that convinced me to go full-decaf two years ago. (I drink caffeinated coffee now.)

Manhattan Coffee Roasters also has El Vergel, which is a good single origin with a dark, chocolatey taste profile. Great as a pour-over or as an espresso.

One Line Coffee in Columbus, OH also has a great decaf single origin. They deliver!

But, yeah, most decaf options are meh at best and pretty bad on average. Starbucks, of all places, has a reliable decaf roast that's alright and consistent.

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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post #45

Quitting coffee was a really bad experience for me. I had what felt like withdrawal symptoms: a strong headache, muscle aches, and I was really cold. It lasted for two days, until I took a minuscule sip and everything went away within five minutes. That made me realize the extent to which I was actually addicted, and how dependent my body was on it. I managed to quit and stayed caffeine-free for about a year. But one…

An important point is that caffeine is a drug, and like any drug should be used for a desired purpose. If you’re going to need that extra focus, then use it. Other days you might not. Make a conscious choice about it.

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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And STOP having sleep disorders!

Yep. Fuck those of us who take two hours to fall asleep because that's just the way we are. Useless people the lot of us. eagerly awaiting all the suggestions for why I just need to do X or Y to get to sleep. Definitely haven't tried those!

I'll bite. Never did I ever meet anyone in the military that needed "two hours" to fall asleep when they had adequate physical exercise throughout the day.

If you're undiagnosed by a clinical physician for a disorder and have that issue, you're either sleeping too much, consuming too many stimulants, or not getting enough physical exercise.

What's your exercise routine like?

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And STOP having sleep disorders!

Yep. Fuck those of us who take two hours to fall asleep because that's just the way we are. Useless people the lot of us. eagerly awaiting all the suggestions for why I just need to do X or Y to get to sleep. Definitely haven't tried those!

Well backed RCTs have generally shown >95% of sleep issues are solvable, with sleep hygiene (this means using your bed only for sleep and sex, keeping your room dark and quiet eg no blinking leds, and getting up and getting light exposure if you don't fall asleep in 20 mins) resolving ~70% of cases. Anxiety treatments resolved most of the rest.

You could be in that last 5%! But that is extremely unlikely.

Cut caffeine and alcohol entirely, turn off lamps and hide your phone two hours before bed, read a paper book or write in a paper journal.

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Decaf works great for this. I'm like 100% a rat pulling levers now that I'm vaping 0% nicotine and drinking decaf in the morning. If they start ringing bells before lunch I'm done for.

As an alternative perspective I found no good decaf coffee. I tried maybe 8 different coffees, all very well regarded, very hipster, none came close to creating good pour-over coffee. I admit it’s all about expectations but if you’re currently enjoying pretty fancy coffee and want to go decaf you’re going to be disappointed. Decaf black tea was even worse…

Why not both! Delicious caffeinated in the morning, less-delicious-but-still-quite-nice decaf after 12:00. You don’t need to go entirely caffeine-free to enjoy most of the benefits.

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Interesting how "quitting coffee" makes it up the rounds, and pretty much all the discussion perceives "quitting is good," -- but there's quite a bit of at least plausible evidence, both modern scientific as well as really old school, that suggest that coffee is really good for you?

Conflation is very easy to do here. If you are very sick, you probably aren't drinking coffee (it's a mild stomach irritant).

So there is a correlation between coffee and being healthy, but causation is very messy.

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