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Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Worth noting that this seems to be about Hetzners cloud product, not the dedicated servers. The cloud product is relatively new, and most of the people who move to Hetzner do so because of the dedicated instances, not to use their cloud.

Hetzner's cloud offering is probably a decade old by now - I've been a very happy customer for 8 years.

Hetzner was founded in '97, so cloud offering could technically still be considered relatively new. :D

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner's cloud offering is probably a decade old by now - I've been a very happy customer for 8 years.

You're right! I seem to have mixed it with some other dedi provider that added "cloud" recently. Thanks for the correction! My point of people moving to Hetzner for the dedicated instances rather than the cloud still remains though, at least in my bubble.

No problem (I'm just glad you didn't read it as snark)! I mean, even 8 years is relatively new compared to their dedicated box offering so technically you were still correct.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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I think you can get much farther with dedicated servers. I run a couple of nodes on Hetzner. The performance you get from a dedicated machine even if it is a 3 year old machine that you can get on server auction is absolutely bonkers and cannot be compared to VMs. The thing is that most of the server hardware is focused towards high core count, low clock speed processors that optimize for I/O rather than compute. It…

I recently rediscovered this website that might help: https://vpspricetracker.com Too cool to not share, most of the providers listed there have dedicated servers too.

++1

excellent website, thanks.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Blacklisted by whom?

AWS at least maintains IP lists of bots, active exploiters, ddos attackers, etc, that you can use to filter/rate limit traffic in WAF. Not so much AWS that blocks you but customers that decide to use these lists.

Ironic, given how often the attacks I spend time fending off are coming from AWS.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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I've been running my SaaS on Hetzner servers for over 10 years now. Dedicated hardware, clusters in DE and FI, managed through ansible. I use vpncloud to set up a private VPN between the servers (excellent software, btw).

My hosting bill is a fraction of what people pay at AWS or other similar providers, and my servers are much faster. This lets me use a simpler architecture and fewer servers.

When I need to scale, I can always add servers. The only difference is that with physical servers you don't scale up/down on demand within minutes, you have to plan for hours/days. But that's perfectly fine.

I use a distributed database (RethinkDB, switching to FoundationDB) for fault tolerance.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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AWS won't raise the limits on our new account (we're stuck at 1GB RAM in Lightsail after 2 months, even though we need to launch this month). Looking at Hetzner or Vultr as alternatives. A few folks mentioned me Infomaniak has great service and uptime, but I haven't heard much about them otherwise. Anyone used Infomaniak in production? How do they compare to Hetzner/Vultr?

Just curious, what are you building/launching that requires more than 1GB of RAM at launch? 1GB is a lot of memory for most use cases, guessing something involving graphics or maybe simulations? In those cases, dedicated instances with proper hardware will give you enormous performance benefits, FYI.

Both Vultr and Hetzner are solid options, I'd go for Hetzner if I know the users are around Europe or close to it, and I want to run tiny CDN-like nodes myself across the globe. Also, Hetzner if you don't wanna worry about bandwidth costs. Otherwise go for Vultr, they have a lot more locations.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Dedicated servers on a host like Hetzer and OVH surely beats any virtualization based cloud offering on price and performance. The tradeoff is availability. It's a great choice for entities that are optimizing on cost, but not a great choice if your business cannot tolerate downtime. A good example is a the big lichess outage from last year [1]. Lichess is a non-profit, and also must serve a huge user base. Given the…

"5 or 6x the price they currently pay OVH" So they could have had 100% redundant systems at OVH and still be under half the cost of a traditional "cloud" provider? I would look at architecture and operations first. Their "main" node went down, and they did not have a way they could just bring another instance of it online fast on a fresh OVH machine (typically provisioned in a few minutes, assuming they had no hot st…

is it really redundant when you host at the same provider?

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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I think you can get much farther with dedicated servers. I run a couple of nodes on Hetzner. The performance you get from a dedicated machine even if it is a 3 year old machine that you can get on server auction is absolutely bonkers and cannot be compared to VMs. The thing is that most of the server hardware is focused towards high core count, low clock speed processors that optimize for I/O rather than compute. It…

I have used wholesaleinternet.net and they are centrally located in the USA.

ugh 235$ a month for a 4TB SSD?! You can buy one for that price and have some money left over
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