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Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by martypitt »

0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

I appreciate this comment!

I'm often envious of these Macbook announcements, as the battery life on my XPS is poor (~2ish hours) when running Ubuntu. (No idea if it's also bad on Windows - as I haven't run it in years).

Thanks for the heads-up.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by Keyframe »

bananapub wrote: post #39
asadm wrote: post #13

wait I can’t have M5 with 64GB ram? highest is just 32GB which is ridiculous!

they have historically had three tiers of cpus: - normal - pro - max pro and max had way more cores and gpus and supported way more ram. today's release is the basic version of the new cpu; if you want more ram you can get the m4pro or m4max based MacBook Pros, or wait for the M5pro/max to come out.

so, macbook pro m5 normal, macbook pro m5 pro, macbook pro m5 max. I see M4 still in the offer, which costs more. No wifi 7 on m5 (normal or not). 32GB these days, unified or not, in a pro machine.. I haven't paid much attention to macs over the past few years but I wonder what would Steve Jobs say about this shit.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by jayd16 »

achandlerwhite wrote: post #56
0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

What are the quirks with local dev that make it not fun?

There are surprisingly a lot of permission headaches and rug pulls in the last few big OS updates that have been really annoying.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by sofixa »

achandlerwhite wrote: post #56
0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

What are the quirks with local dev that make it not fun?

Docker works very weirdly (it's a desktop application you have to install that has usage restrictions in enterprise contexts, and it's inside a VM so some things don't work), or you have to use an alternative with similar restrictions (Podman, Rancher Desktop).

The OS also has weird rough edges when used from the terminal - there are read-only parts, there are restrictions on loading libraries, multiple utilities come with very old versions or BSD versions with different flags than the GNU ones you might be used to coming from Linux, the package manager is pretty terrible. There are things (e.g. installing drivers to be able to connect to ESP32 devices) that require jumping through multiple ridiculous hoops. Some things are flat out impossible. Each new OS update brings new restrictions "for your safety" that are probably good for the average consumer, but annoying for people using the device for development/related.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by leshenka »

scosman wrote: post #40
letmetweakit wrote: post #19

Apparently, in Europe, the box will not contain a charger [1]. This is absolutely mind-blowing to me. edit: suggested retail price also dropped with EUR 100. Mind is less blown now. It seems like a good thing in fact. edit2: in Belgium, the combined price of the 70W adapter and 2m USB-C to MagSafe is EUR 120. [1] https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-macbook-pro-does-no...

Don't forget the environmental impact of a smaller box. The box will probably be less than half as thick, doubling shipping efficiency. These are air freight, so the CO2 impact is not negligible. I'll take the discount and use one of my 12 existing USB-C chargers.

There are more 90W-capable USB-C chargers in my home than there are laptops. I certainly don't need another one. Honestly I'd be fine for them to just remove the box altogether and use paper envelope like Steve Jobs did once.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by 1-more »

0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

> I still don't have it fully set up

Highly recommend doing nix + nix-darwin + home-manager to make this declarative. Easier to futz around with.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by konart »

jayd16 wrote: post #63
achandlerwhite wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the quirks with local dev that make it not fun?

There are surprisingly a lot of permission headaches and rug pulls in the last few big OS updates that have been really annoying.

Any examples? I've been using mbpr since 2014 and haven't seen any changes recently except you have to hit "allow" button a few times.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by lm28469 »

Ambroos wrote: post #3

The lack of WiFi 7 is disappointing. 6E is fine but by now I'd expect 7 in new computers.

homoconsomator needs bigger numbers even if he acknowledges smaller number is ok.

What do you do on wifi that requires more than 10gb per seconds... on a laptop, you'd fill up the base model ssd in under a minute of download

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by Aurornis »

bitpush wrote: post #59
Aurornis wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The M5 Pro refresh will come later. M4 Pro parts are still available until then.

> The M5 Pro refresh will come later. Did they announce this or are you speaking for Apple?

They release the Pro and Max parts after the base part.

This has been their release strategy for past generations.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by bonsai_spool »

0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

I recommend looking at Lima for setting up deterministic build environments on a Mac! I use it with Ansible to provision testing environments:

https://github.com/lima-vm/lima

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