I was watching a clip from the The Lost World (1925) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chwzrwHnCtk] the other day. I was struck by the silly (to my ears) orchestral fanfare scoring such a dramatic scene, and the fact that almost all of the men are wearing nearly identical outfits. It's still pretty much the same 20 years later in this video. The timbre of the voice of the narrator is another thing, so universal in media from that time and comically foreign today.
Don't Be a Sucker (1943) [video]
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#63Awesome video. So much great content is so easily accessible today. The challenge is discovery! Grateful HN is a quality “feed” - way better than all the algorithmic feeds.. If something as curated as HN existed & appealed to the masses - even if it was ad funded! - we could live in a different world.
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The post did dive but it managed to cling to the frontpage.
https://hnrankings.info/45573025/
My condolences for your hat.
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#64This is important for everyone here to watch. A divided house does not stand, and if you haven't noticed, it's getting more divided every day. Don't be a sucker, don't let them divide us. For perspective, we now have masked agents roaming the streets kidnapping people in broad daylight. In the United States. Think about how fast this came. EDIT: Why not have a conversation instead of downvoting. What did I say is wro…
Why not have a conversation instead of downvoting. What did I say is wrong? Your second paragraph is implying that the half of Americans who voted for Trump are "bad Americans". That seems to be sowing the division that your first paragraph warns against (even if it is a reason to dislike Trump). I don't think either democrats or republicans can claim the moral high ground about sowing division.
I posted a substantial reply to this comment but immediately deleted it. It's impossible honestly to take issue here without crossing into culture war territory.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
By talking to those apathetic and talking to those that think this isn't a problem. There is a war for your mind.
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> An important part of the premise of "Don't Be a Sucker" is that the Hungarian storyteller is an American citizen who followed all the necessary legal processes to gain citizenship.
An important part missing from your argument is a comparison of how difficult it was to gain citizenship then and now.
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#66I love that this was US propaganda at one point. The US always has failings, but this message is something we can be proud of.
Is it still true that Americans find it hard to see how this is very clearly propaganda? Yes, it's anti-Nazi but it's still has very obvious problems.
My wild guess is that most people who are aware of this film recognize that it's a kind of propaganda.
Of course you're going to get nationalism-tinged anti-fascist propaganda from the US Dept. of the Army in 1945.
There are large voting blocs who need to hear and comprehend the message of this film that happens to be propaganda, right now.
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#67Nazi Germany built it's regime through direct control of the media and censorship of anyone or any idea that challenged their ideology. I'm not sure propaganda that ignores the power of propaganda is a great idea.
Ah, but how exactly did the Nazis reach that point when they didn't have that capability? Perhaps... the things in the video? Compare: "This video on pulling weeds is useless, because after the tree has grown it has a mighty root-system."
> Ah, but how exactly did the Nazis reach that point when they didn't have that capability?
The economic crises of the 20s and 30s. This is very well documented.
> Perhaps... the things in the video?
Speeches on street corners? I find that notion absurd. I find the presentation incredibly ignorant and manipulative.
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#69Nazi Germany built it's regime through direct control of the media and censorship of anyone or any idea that challenged their ideology. I'm not sure propaganda that ignores the power of propaganda is a great idea.
Making media != direct control of the media
Nazi Party == direct control of the media.
Both our statements are true.
What is the ultimate point of burning books? Does it represent the manufacture of media or the control of it?
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
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> An important part of the premise of "Don't Be a Sucker" is that the Hungarian storyteller is an American citizen who followed all the necessary legal processes to gain citizenship. An important part missing from your argument is a comparison of how difficult it was to gain citizenship then and now.
No, nothing about the argument considers that comparison relevant. The claim includes a provision that nations are allowed to make the process easier or harder, according to their perceived needs and aims.