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Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Post by potato3732842 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #25
cyberax wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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If you want nice things, be prepared to pay the true cost for them instead of being subsidized by everyone else.

There's a sort of "you are why the world is the way it is" irony in your comment.

Development costs spiral once you cross the 1ac threshold because them you have to do stormwater permitting (which is federal in some cases) and that adds a ton of cost and wastes developable land. And then the scrutiny this brings can cause you problems on other axis. This is why newly built houses in the middle of nowhere on a bunch of acres.

Pretty much every commercial development, pretty much every cookie cutter residential subdivision of multiple houses, is saddled with costs that the sort of "5-over-1 here, shoehorn a duplex and some townhomes in there" type development 15min cities type people love isn't.

Stormwater permitting is the driving force behind why developments get laid out the ways that they do. It's why every big box store, every residential subdivision, every warehouse building, they all have the same dozen shapes oriented in one of the same dozen ways on the lot. This is also why every residential subdivision ever has an HOA, someone needs to be responsible for maintaining whatever the stormwater infrastructure is in perpetuity.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Post by mothballed »

ddxv wrote: post #13

I think Prop79 will be good long term but it will take decades for the changes to be felt. I hope that something with a bit more immediate shows up this year as well. Relooking at prop 13 seems to be one option.

Houses built from advantage of SB79 are encumbered by the fact virtually every typical piece of pipe used to build a house is made a controlled material requiring a background check, under SB704.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Post by greesil »

nradov wrote: post #53
greesil wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought some furniture from a guy in Ben Lomond and he told me that after the CZU fires, permitting was the bottleneck for most folks, to the point that even four years after the fires some people still were waiting. It's insane. IMO the bottleneck here is likely staffing. If someone wanted to streamline this they'd actually allocate some emergency funds statewide for this.

We really need to focus on streamlining and automating the process rather than hiring more government employees. Every county should be forced to use a single standardized API for permit applications. And if an application isn't denied within 30 days then it's automatically approved.

literally any attention on this problem would be a tremendous improvement.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Post by [deleted] »

ambicapter wrote: post #60
troad wrote: post #16

I'm not intimately familiar with Californian zoning, but I have to say, all this talk of the 'seventh Regional Housing Needs Assessment cycle' reminded me of the Five Year Plans used in socialist countries. I wish the people of California the best of luck exceeding dwelling quotas in the upcoming seventh cycle! :P Edit: I forgot how sensitive people can be to the word 'socialism'. I am not trying imply - with all the…

So you're not implying that CA is the Soviet Union, but you are drawing the parallel with whatever socialist country you have a "family history of living under"? Gee, I wonder what that means. Seems like a distinction without a difference.

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Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Post by dcrazy »

mothballed wrote: post #62
ddxv wrote: post #13

I think Prop79 will be good long term but it will take decades for the changes to be felt. I hope that something with a bit more immediate shows up this year as well. Relooking at prop 13 seems to be one option.

Houses built from advantage of SB79 are encumbered by the fact virtually every typical piece of pipe used to build a house is made a controlled material requiring a background check, under SB704.

Please stop repeating this intentionally ridiculous misinterpretation all over this thread.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Post by mothballed »

dcrazy wrote: post #65
mothballed wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Houses built from advantage of SB79 are encumbered by the fact virtually every typical piece of pipe used to build a house is made a controlled material requiring a background check, under SB704.

Please stop repeating this intentionally ridiculous misinterpretation all over this thread.

Please read it. I'm 100% right.

     As used in Section 33700, “firearm barrel” means the tube, usually metal and cylindrical, through which a projectile or shot charge is fired. A firearm barrel includes any forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body, or similar article that has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled, or converted to be used as a firearm barrel, or that is marketed or sold to the public to become or be used as a firearm barrel once completed, assembled, or converted. A firearm barrel may have a rifled or smooth bore.
Put compressed air (or maybe some capped off black powder) in tube, it will expel a projectile. PVC pipes are readily convertible into a tube through which a projectile is fired.

Have you read the bill? It literally outlaws (without background check) any piece of pipe which you can readily fire a projectile from. You can do that with pretty much any pipe, just by adjusting the charge and projectile size/type.

Even the process used to make PVC pipes is explicitly called out, which is extrusion.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Post by bsder »

Bratmon wrote: post #43
ddxv wrote: post #13

I think Prop79 will be good long term but it will take decades for the changes to be felt. I hope that something with a bit more immediate shows up this year as well. Relooking at prop 13 seems to be one option.

Prop 13 is a religious document in California. You'd have more luck persuading the Catholic Church to repeal the Bible.

> Prop 13 is a religious document in California.

Residential real estate isn't causing the big issue. It's been under Prop 13 long enough that people have died off and the properties are now sufficiently staggered that residential real estate reassesses even if it does so slowly. Consequently, it's not really religious to remove commercial real estate from Prop 13.

The problem is that Prop 13 is worth sooooo much money to entrenched California commercial real estate owners (like The Irvine Company) that you have to be prepared for a MASSIVE money firefight if you really want to go after commercial real estate on it.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Post by Polizeiposaune »

zdragnar wrote: post #8
hamdingers wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The California housing crisis is a result of restrictive local policy preventing housing starts, not a shortage of materials.

Aren't there a lot of people in the Palisades still waiting for permits to rebuild from the fires almost a year ago? It's utterly absurd looking from the outside that officials are claiming the permits are being "fast tracked" even now.

Yes.

https://recovery.lacounty.gov/rebuilding/permitting-progress...

2162 permit applications received; 1916 applications have full plans submitted. 534 permits issued so far.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Post by dcrazy »

potato3732842 wrote: post #61
heavyset_go wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want nice things, be prepared to pay the true cost for them instead of being subsidized by everyone else.

There's a sort of "you are why the world is the way it is" irony in your comment. Development costs spiral once you cross the 1ac threshold because them you have to do stormwater permitting (which is federal in some cases) and that adds a ton of cost and wastes developable land. And then the scrutiny this brings can cause you problems on other axis. This is why newly built houses in the middle of nowhere on a bunch o…

I’m not sure how you intended your post to be to interpreted. To me, the relevant point is that infrastructure is an expensive fixed cost and we should increase density where we’ve already made that investment.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Post by aschleck »

762236 wrote: post #31

This doesn't cover Atherton's train stop, based on their estimated map, which is interesting.

Atherton closed their station in 2020 and, through a great twist of irony, it will become a museum for the line that's still alive next to it: https://inmenlo.com/2025/06/16/community-interest-meeting-on...
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