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Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by dang »

These seem to be the major related threads. Others?

Elementary OS 7 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34598987 - Jan 2023 (92 comments)

Elementary OS 6.1 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29627193 - Dec 2021 (142 comments)

Elementary OS 6 Odin - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28130560 - Aug 2021 (319 comments)

Elementary OS 6 beta - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27001736 - May 2021 (69 comments)

Cheers to 10 Years - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26658317 - April 2021 (77 comments)

Elementary OS 5.1 Hera - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21719028 - Dec 2019 (190 comments)

Elementary OS – Fast, open, privacy-respecting replacement for Windows and macOS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18472018 - Nov 2018 (421 comments)

Elementary OS 5 Juno Is Here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18236240 - Oct 2018 (15 comments)

Switching from macOS: Developer Environment - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12877045 - Nov 2016 (172 comments)

Switching from macOS: The Basics - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12853531 - Nov 2016 (593 comments)

Elementary OS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12830761 - Oct 2016 (386 comments)

Elementary OS Loki 0.4 Stable Release - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12465763 - Sept 2016 (63 comments)

Elementary OS Freya Released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9361477 - April 2015 (87 comments)

Elementary OS 0.3 “Freya” is released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9359722 - April 2015 (62 comments)

Elementary OS Freya Beta 2 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9049592 - Feb 2015 (43 comments)

Myths about ElementaryOS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7864397 - June 2014 (53 comments)

ElementaryOs Luna released - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6193148 - Aug 2013 (296 comments)

Elementary OS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2781891 - July 2011 (79 comments)

Elementary OS - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2091736 - Jan 2011 (15 comments)

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by TheAceOfHearts »

I'm not sure if anything about this has changed since I last tried ElementaryOS an unknown number of years ago, but one of the issues I remember encountering was that applications that weren't built-in had inconsistent styling. I think you get a better more consistent and featureful experience just by using KDE.

Even the list of applications on AppCenter is woefully limited, compared to using Flatpack and being able to access the full repertoire of Linux Desktop applications.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by bsimpson »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #63

I'm not sure if anything about this has changed since I last tried ElementaryOS an unknown number of years ago, but one of the issues I remember encountering was that applications that weren't built-in had inconsistent styling. I think you get a better more consistent and featureful experience just by using KDE. Even the list of applications on AppCenter is woefully limited, compared to using Flatpack and being able…

Isn't that just a Linux problem, where someone could be using GTK or Kirigami or Iced for widgets?

Most Mac developers use Cocoa/SwiftUI, so they get whatever widgets the UXEs at Apple have produced. Adobe famously did their post-2000 UIs in Java, so they have a nonstandard design system; you can tell they don't use Cocoa just by looking at their apps.

Since there's no Apple to make an official toolkit for Linux, each developer uses whatever he wants, which means this app might use the GTK Save button, whereas that one uses Kirigami.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by noosphr »

carl_dr wrote: post #29
noosphr wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP probably had to update Windows today. It's a weird world where KDE out of the box is more usable than Windows. I gave the wrong laptop to my mother a few months back and she only told me when she finished banking that the windows menu looked funny (Like the hacker one you put on the family computer when you were 12.) it was KDE. Usually she asks for help at least once on windows for getting the wifi connected. The…

/r/thathappened She had an account on the wrong laptop?

All my pcs have a locked down guest/guest account which gets nuked on logout.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by actionfromafar »

janc_ wrote: post #30
Qem wrote: post #9

IIRC ElementaryOS had the distinction of using mostly Vala/Genie for development of distro specific software. Is that still the case?

They certainly still recommend it. Too bad the evolution & development of Vala itself has stagnated mostly.

IMHO they missed the boat - they should have pushed Objective C and later Swift. Lots of Mac / iOS developers were curious about Elementary when it was new.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by actionfromafar »

outcoldman wrote: post #62
valunord wrote: post #57

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Can anybody explain what is behind this statement? Tried to google, could not find much.

Queer people are terrorists now, don’t you read your GOP newsletter? /s

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by sbrother »

Alupis wrote: post #38
haunter wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fedora Kinoite https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/kinoite/ I really do think that immutable distros are the future especially if you want something that don’t break. And imo KDE is arguably the best DE right now, that is if you believe DEs should follow the WinNT era UX principles. But there is a version with GNOME too or Cosmic https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ https://fedoraproject.org/at…

Been rocking Kinoite for 2 years now - several major Fedora release upgrades, and zero breakage. I do weird stuff in my "pet" containers (using distrobox), and I love how my base system remains indestructible no matter how much I goof around. Immutable is indeed the future. The moment a user installs something on a traditional mutable OS, it's configuration/environment drifts from the "base", making any system update…

That sounds great. How well does the base OS + "pet" containers work with all the crazy dependencies you need to do modern ML work, e.g. some exact combination of nvidia drivers + CUDA + torch + other random stuff? That's the pain point I'd be motivated enough to solve that I'd switch distros.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by hubrix »

I am wondering why no one is using the wonderful LLM coding tools to cut branches of open source apps rewriting them for consistent UI. From my experience with them so far this is a task that they would be really good at especially if the underlying codebase has decent test coverage.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by TingPing »

sbrother wrote: post #68
Alupis wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Been rocking Kinoite for 2 years now - several major Fedora release upgrades, and zero breakage. I do weird stuff in my "pet" containers (using distrobox), and I love how my base system remains indestructible no matter how much I goof around. Immutable is indeed the future. The moment a user installs something on a traditional mutable OS, it's configuration/environment drifts from the "base", making any system update…

That sounds great. How well does the base OS + "pet" containers work with all the crazy dependencies you need to do modern ML work, e.g. some exact combination of nvidia drivers + CUDA + torch + other random stuff? That's the pain point I'd be motivated enough to solve that I'd switch distros.

nvidia drivers are annoying since Fedora doesn’t distribute them. But once installed it works well enough.
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