It'd be worth it just to shut the chemtrail nuts up.
They’ll say it’s proof they invented invisible mind control agents.
You can’t reason (or evidence) someone out of a position that isn’t based on reason.
Eliminating contrails from flying could be cheap
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#62Did I miss the part of the article stating what percentage of all effects this would have? Like if it moves the needle 0.000001% is it worth the effort? Not to play whatabouttism, but the top 8 countries after China (US through Germany) together emit about the same amount of CO2 as China alone. Not saying we shouldn't improve where we can, as the sum of many small efforts helps the whole.
> How, then, do contrails stack up in terms of total warming? They contribute roughly 2% to the world’s effective radiative forcing; tackling them would reduce that by a similar amount.
Thanks, that is quite signficant
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don’t understand conspiracy loon logic. By the very act of hiding the chemtrails you are demonstrating that you are doing something nefarious.
Plus, the invisibility of a thing does not stop the conspiracy loons from building conspiracies around it. 5G RF is invisible, yet still being used by the government to control our brains. For chemtrails, the conspiracy is just going to turn into: "They're spraying invisible chemicals all over us to turn us into communists." There's no end to it.
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#64This is something the military, e.g. fighter jets worry about. The altitudes (in a given airspace) that form contrails are briefed as part of "tactical weather". You try to avoid them if able, because no matter how stealthy you are, you are lit up for all to see if you fly at those altitudes.
Avoiding con-trail creation has been a factor for military aviation since at least WWII; bomber pilots then were briefed on what altitudes to fly at to avoid them as well, but not because they were especially stealthy.
There's still some space between "not especially stealthy" and "drawing an enormous arrow in the sky pointing directly to you".
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#65I can't imagine that contrails are a significant percentage of cloud cover.
This is bullshit. How can anyone pretend the radiation reflecting from it is significant? How wide are these things? 20 meters?
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#66This is something the military, e.g. fighter jets worry about. The altitudes (in a given airspace) that form contrails are briefed as part of "tactical weather". You try to avoid them if able, because no matter how stealthy you are, you are lit up for all to see if you fly at those altitudes.
Its nice to see new tech being used to kill people for a change.
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#67I had no idea contrails actually caused that much warming, compared to the exhaust.
Likewise. In fact, I was under the opposite impression because of the benefit that sulfur enriched shipping exhaust had for our climate [0]. It looks like these clouds are thinner and don't have the same impact as that, though. While I felt that the featured article linked to their favorite site aggressively (four links to contrails.org), it looks like the google site is legitimate [1]. I couldn't find a recent [2] p…
> In fact, I was under the opposite impression because of the benefit that sulfur enriched shipping exhaust had for our climate.
It isn't quite accurate to state that ship tracks have/had a "benefit" on our climate. Their existence creates a transient decrease in OLR and increase in albedo. If anything, they simply masked some GHG-induced warming that had a much longer half-time, and cleaning up ship emissions has "unmasked" some of that hidden warming. But, again, the warming was already committed.
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#68It'd be worth it just to shut the chemtrail nuts up.
They’ll say it’s proof they invented invisible mind control agents. You can’t reason (or evidence) someone out of a position that isn’t based on reason.
To be fair, most gasses and even aerosols are effectively invisible to the naked eye. Not to mention viruses, prions, bacteria, spores.. some of which affect behavior (rabies, mad cow disease, and the famed cordyceps for ants).
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#69This is something the military, e.g. fighter jets worry about. The altitudes (in a given airspace) that form contrails are briefed as part of "tactical weather". You try to avoid them if able, because no matter how stealthy you are, you are lit up for all to see if you fly at those altitudes.
Fun fact: the B-2 bomber has a LIDAR-based contrail detection sensor, called the Pilot Alert System. https://tridsys.com/our-divisions/optical-precision-sensors/
There’s always been something disturbing about public internet advertisements of military equipment. I suppose it’s dual use, but it seems like baiting a malicious actor to play with it in detail.
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#70But then how would the government disperse mind-control chemicals over the public?