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The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Despite the magazine being named the Argument , this article falls into the typical pattern of claiming "the problem isn't X, it's Y", and then spending the rest of the article body building support for Y, but never once making any argument that refutes X.

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That would only come close to working as an argument if X and Y were mutually exclusive, but this article doesn't even bother to make the case that they are, nor is there any reason why they would be.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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post #6

I feel like I these doom prognostications were also written during the industrial revolution, the invention of electricity, the invention of television, the invention of the internet, ... We've turned out okay.

Socrates on writing "For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not tr…

That prediction qas right there, actually. We did lost the memorization capabilities. Memorization is not just about rote learning, it was kind of technology about how to structure text so that it is easy to remember.

Second, Socrates was generally arrogant in stories. That attitude you see there was not special disdain to reading, it was more off his general "I am better then everyone else anyway" attitude.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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1. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255603105_The_Effec... 2. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25509828/ 3. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/392560878_Your_Brai... I’m pretty convinced it should be used to do things humans can’t do instead of things humans can do well with practice. However, I’m also convinced that Capital will always rely on Labor to use it on their behalf.

That’s always been the issue for me. It’s not the technology itself, it’s that virtually the entire initiative is being pushed by venture capital with a “we want to make more money than God” mission that means they call every person calling for caution a Luddite/anti-progress. That’s basically how every thing on the Internet has expanded over the last 20 years and the results have been, if I’m being insanely generous…

I think it's more "We want to use money to become gods", and AI is very much part of that.

They're going to be rather surprised when this doesn't work as planned, for reasons that are both very obvious and not obvious at all. (Yet.)

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Despite the magazine being named the Argument , this article falls into the typical pattern of claiming "the problem isn't X, it's Y", and then spending the rest of the article body building support for Y, but never once making any argument that refutes X.

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Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Humans have a tendency to embed their cognition in the world, this is probably one of our greatest strengths as a species.

AI allows for you to offload a lot of cognitive effort, allowing you to free up your mind, but the only catch is that AI can be politicized and more confident than accurate.

If AI companies can focus on improving accuracy on facts and make their AI more philosophically grounded on the rest, it would allow people to free up their minds for their immediate real lives.

Don't mistake thinking for intelligence.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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Despite the magazine being named the Argument , this article falls into the typical pattern of claiming "the problem isn't X, it's Y", and then spending the rest of the article body building support for Y, but never once making any argument that refutes X.

Refuting X is not necessary if it’s a subjective perspective

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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> If you didn't lose your ability to think to scrolling social media ... Didn't we?

> However, I think a lot of people lost their ability to think by scrolling social media and that is problematic.

Specifically, most of the billionaires. They’re all deranged lunatics now, between COVID, social media, and being told they couldn’t say the n-word with impunity for two weeks back in 2020.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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post #21

For an example of where this already happened, look at the number of people who literally don't have a minor inkling of how to plan a route or navigate without a GPS and mapping software. Sure, having a real-time data source is nice for avoiding construction/traffic, and I'd use a real-time map, but going beyond that to be spoon fed your next action over and over leads to dependency.

I don’t have an inkling of how to navigate. I don’t really see the problem.

Re: The deadline isn't when AI outsmarts us – it's when we stop using our own minds

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It fulfills steve jobs promise that a computer is a bicycle for your mind. It is crazy to me that all these poeple think they are going to lose their ability to think. If you didn't lose your ability to think to scrolling social media then you aren't going to lose it to AI. However, I think a lot of people lost their ability to think by scrolling social media and that is problematic. What people need to realize is th…

Except that generative "AI" is a tricycle for the mind that prevents you from ever learning how to ride a bicycle.

It’s more like a bus where you can sit there and stare out the window if you like. But somehow it also gives people the illusion that they are driving the bus, giving them a sense of self satisfaction while robbing them of the opportunity to actually create or learn something.
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