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ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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What happened to all those 2nd Amendment conservatives who needed their guns to protect us from the governments jack booted thugs?

This is such a lame comment, sorry. The fact 2nd amendment crowd had a chance to prove their principles a few weeks ago and they did it with flying colors when the NRA came out against any restrictions for trans people. But as a 2A supporter I don't feel any obligation to rage against ICE assembling a social media team. These seem to be completely disconnected concepts.

The reference was to the somewhat bombastic set that like to talk about the reason for the second amendment being a backstop against government tyranny or whatever. You seem to be hiding behind a variant definition that covers only advocacy for the second amendment itself. Maybe you're not in the demographic, but there are a lot of them here on HN.

Or were. They've been extremely quiet the last few months. Turns out tyranny isn't so bad when it's aimed at the people you already hate.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

#62
post #14

What happened to all those 2nd Amendment conservatives who needed their guns to protect us from the governments jack booted thugs?

This is such a lame comment, sorry. The fact 2nd amendment crowd had a chance to prove their principles a few weeks ago and they did it with flying colors when the NRA came out against any restrictions for trans people. But as a 2A supporter I don't feel any obligation to rage against ICE assembling a social media team. These seem to be completely disconnected concepts.

The Federalist papers, Thomas Jefferson, and the Supreme Court as recently as 2008 have all identified the right to bear arms as a mechanism for protection against a tyrannical state. It's surprising as a 2A supporter that you seem unaware of why the amendment exists.

Is that true, or is there something more here?

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

#64
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A force with significant capability to surveil US citizens. > Together, these teams would operate as intelligence arms of ICE’s Enforcement and Removal Operations division. They will receive tips and incoming cases, research individuals online, and package the results into dossiers that could be used by field offices to plan arrests. [...] The scope of information contractors are expected to collect is broad. Draft i…

Which capability has been iteratively built out for decades across multiple administrations against the consistent professional recommendation and public outcry of engineers, civil rights advocates, and some citizenry, and has at last landed in the malicious hands we've been warning about. Nothing here is either surprising or unpredicted. It's just ugly because it's finally happening.

Yep, this is all (MAGA's rapid judo-flip and complete capture of the entire Republican apparatus, that right-wing authoritarian nationalism is popular at all, the legal and bureaucratic machinery being in place to enable authoritarianism) built on stuff that's been going on since the '70s. That's when the wave of neutering antitrust and deregulating media started, and that's what got us most of four decades of persistent unchallenged lies, dehumanization campaigns, and racism blasted at the public. Nixon's roughly the start of the current movement as far as direct action (the think tanks driving it precede him by a decade or two, but hadn't had much effect before him), with the cynical "war on drugs" aimed at enflaming racial animosity and providing tools to attack political opponents, and of course his downfall and pardon were what lit a flame under a lot of right-wingers' asses to re-make reality such that their crimes wouldn't have consequences again (Reagan and some Nixon alums would soon make early use of this, and test the "if we all just keep telling obvious lies and don't break ranks... can we maybe just get away with whatever we want?" strategy, which turned out to work wonderfully)

All of what we're seeing is built on an electorate that was primed to elect Trump. The Republicans had been using them as a captured base to enable their neoliberal and imperialist policies, but they'd conditioned these folks to want Trumpism, not what they were actually delivering. The shit Trump says is largely the same shit you'd hear from Republican voters since at least the '90s, and what he does is largely shit they want done. They've been asking for e.g. authoritarian federal government crack-downs on cities since then, asking for reductions in law enforcement accountability, asking for no-due-process mass deportations, asking for pulling back from NATO, asking for a wall at the border and/or a militarized border, et c. Their media's been telling them all democratic organizations and the party itself are to-the-core rotten criminal enterprises and they believe that. They will cheer when ICE starts arresting members of congress and major democratic donors on dubious charges.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

#65
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly depends on who you ask

What’s the steelman argument for the US actually doing well?

Protecting us against Schrödinger's immigrant: Both stealing our jobs AND too lazy to do any work.

/s

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

#66
post #34

Palantir can help with that

Why bother with the additional tender, the NSA have been doing it for decades?

You bother with the additional tender because Palantir is a commercial organization that will pay you handsomely for it.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

#67
post #32

Yeah, that's some Gestapo level business... or since they don't like that word, Stasi. As in, there were loads of people in the DDR (East Germany, 1949-1989) whose job it was to read people's personal mail, along with the network of neighborhood snitches.

Reading public posts on a website is not the same as reading people’s private mail though. Not really an equivalent comparison IMO.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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> There are already attribution technologies that are reliable and definitive. Gonna stop you right there and ask you to back that up. It's not plausible. Especially not if people are actively trying to mess up the "attribution".

E.g., https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33755016 from 2022. Only N-gram frequency analysis, no modern ML techniques needed. Probably time for somebody to revisit this topic with an actual model.

That's not even close to "reliable and definitive". I'll give you "suggestive". And it presumably has certain volume requirements.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

#69
post #49

Some people: "Great, this will help them get criminals and other bad people off the street." Some other people: "More fascism. This is Trump's version of the SS. It's absolutely horrible and we are doomed if this continues." The world continues to spin.

> The world continues to spin.

It kept spinning while millions were murdered during WWII as well. Did you have an actual point to make or did you just come here to be dismissive?

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

#70
post #49

Some people: "Great, this will help them get criminals and other bad people off the street." Some other people: "More fascism. This is Trump's version of the SS. It's absolutely horrible and we are doomed if this continues." The world continues to spin.

Some other other people: "i can't tell the difference between rotten apples and fresh oranges. therefore all fruit is shit." But which one do you think is accurate? Here's an article to consider, where ICE broke into an apartment building without warrants to arrest citizens and children. Does this sound like Gestapo tactics or no?: https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/01/massive-...

It doesn't matter what I think. The reality is most people who voted, voted for this or something like this. This will only change at the ballot box, assuming you believe in fair elections.
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