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Ford CEO on his ‘epiphany’ after talking to factory workers in 2023

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Re: Ford CEO on his ‘epiphany’ after talking to factory workers in 2023

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Now imagine if you could make affordable sedans again, Jim. How does Gen Z afford a $50,000 electric SUV?

Unfortunately sedans and hatches are just about completely out for the domestic automakers- they sold poorly and were discontinued. The reasons behind poor sales are surely multi-faceted, but, for Ford in particular, they didn't help matters with quality issues like the "Powershift" dual-clutch automatic, which was flawed from the beginning and left a lot of Focus and Fiesta owners (both now discontinued in the US) w…

The root cause is CAFE regulations and the penalty for small-footprint vehicles. You get more profit if you don't have to make higher efficiency cars rather than cheaper trucks. You get more profit if you make larger trucks rather than smaller. The optimal solution is to make cars undesirable with poor quality or stop building them altogether by pretending they're trucks (PT Cruiser, all XUVs) and make smaller trucks unavailable.

Re: Ford CEO on his ‘epiphany’ after talking to factory workers in 2023

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That Ford CEO is stupid. There's no "shortage" of workers. Corporations are expecting other people to train their employees past entry level and pay these people with midlevel experience like badly paid unskilled laborers. Nobody is investing years of their time and large sums of money to get trained up for a shitty job? SURPRISE SURPRISE If you won't take an average person with no knowledge of your industry and trai…

I don't disagree, but I do think the modern culture of company hopping is contributing to this. As a leader entrusted to make good decisions for the company, you must consider this reality. At a previous company we hired a lot of junior engineers with the idea that our relatively high pay and reasonably good work would help us build a strong generation of seniors a few years down the road. What we mostly found was th…

> modern culture of company hopping is contributing to this

Zero people are doing this for the fun of it. This is entirely driven by incentives, not "culture".

Or, rather, not by "culture" of the people doing the hopping—C-suite and MBA culture, yes, very much so, this is one of many bad outcomes from having companies run entirely by "professional managers" and finance dudes rather than people who were, at the start of their career, close to the actual productive work of the company, with the latter scenario once being far more common than it is now.

Re: Ford CEO on his ‘epiphany’ after talking to factory workers in 2023

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree, but I do think the modern culture of company hopping is contributing to this. As a leader entrusted to make good decisions for the company, you must consider this reality. At a previous company we hired a lot of junior engineers with the idea that our relatively high pay and reasonably good work would help us build a strong generation of seniors a few years down the road. What we mostly found was th…

"modern culture of company hopping".. don't you mean simply going to another workplace for better wages? when you say "ridiculously stupid HR practices" don't you mean not paying them as much? do you really think it's a "cultural" thing to change jobs?

> "modern culture of company hopping".. don't you mean simply going to another workplace for better wages?

Yes that's what I mean, though I was making the argument from the perspective of the employer. Didn't mean mean any shade with "company hopping" (I've done that in the past because it was the best thing for me and my career, and I stand by those decisions, so I don't mean them with any negative connotations from the employee perspective at least, and from the employer perspective it's their own damn fault though they rarely ever recognize it).

> when you say "ridiculously stupid HR practices" don't you mean not paying them as much?

Yes, not paying them as much as another company would offer, plus being stingy with promotion opportunities (like from jr to mid, mid to sr, etc).

> do you really think it's a "cultural" thing to change jobs?

Yes absolutely, a culture born out of changing realities/incentives. That's not to say it wouldn't switch back if companies started rewarding loyalty again, but it won't spin on a dime.

Re: Ford CEO on his ‘epiphany’ after talking to factory workers in 2023

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Why would I learn my father’s trade when I can see all day in TikTok all of these people doing GRWM with fancy fits and making matcha lattes at their super fancy corporate offices, or others becoming rich by having enough likes and followers, or others having lambos from day trading?

Now that I see other peoples idealized lives 24/7, I want THAT.

In the meantime I will work a 3 times/week 4 hour shift at Starbies.

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Re: Ford CEO on his ‘epiphany’ after talking to factory workers in 2023

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> Ford’s signature element in its new labor agreement was to get full wages to entry-level workers. But beyond that, he began looking at the labor shortage in trade work, starting with technicians.“Old-timers in our plants were saying, ‘It’s no longer a career, Mr. Farley. Working at Ford is no longer a career.’” He warned that millions of well-paid jobs are going unfilled because they require specialized skills. Put…

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Re: Ford CEO on his ‘epiphany’ after talking to factory workers in 2023

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> At some point, the salaries are indeed "high enough" but the skills still just aren't available to hire. But the incentive to develop the skills should sort this out, no?

In the long term, yes definitely, and we saw that work first-hand in software development as bootcamps and comp-sci grads started cranking people out. However, the ramp-up time means that during those 5 years that it takes for more people to get qualified, this corrective affect won't help. Also in the real world the wages are sticky enough that they take time to adjust, and then it takes time for people to realize t…

> In the long term, yes definitely

So, in the automotive industry they've been paying too little to attract people. Meaning they now have a shortage. That's still on them.

Sounds to me like they made some really nice profits for a couple of years and are now feeling the pain of that.

Funny that you mention AI where people are saying there's no need for Juniors anymore. Exactly the same, you'll make some money now and will then likely have to pay for that later.

Re: Ford CEO on his ‘epiphany’ after talking to factory workers in 2023

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Seems like a good time to mention my old stand-by: There is no such thing as a labor shortage. There may very well be a shortage of qualified people willing to work under the conditions and for the compensation a company would like to provide. When stated that way you can see that there are several levers to pull, the most obvious being compensation.

The prospect of working on something that profits from society steaming full speed ahead towards the climate catastrophe (and you being at the forefront) or in the best case being obsolete in a few years as we ramp down fossils should also make the thinking person pause.

Re: Ford CEO on his ‘epiphany’ after talking to factory workers in 2023

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Why would I learn my father’s trade when I can see all day in TikTok all of these people doing GRWM with fancy fits and making matcha lattes at their super fancy corporate offices, or others becoming rich by having enough likes and followers, or others having lambos from day trading? Now that I see other peoples idealized lives 24/7, I want THAT. In the meantime I will work a 3 times/week 4 hour shift at Starbies. ——…

Sure, but you might compare those people with people winning a lottery. You don't see the failures that are way more common

Re: Ford CEO on his ‘epiphany’ after talking to factory workers in 2023

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This article is wild. I love it when rich people tell you 1) they've been asleep for a decade and 2) their politics are insane.

  he was especially struck by stories from young factory employees. Many of them said they could not support themselves by working at Ford alone. “When I met with my entry factory workers, they were saying [they] had to have three jobs.”
So, the thing people have been saying in public for 10 years, is a surprise to you?

  Farley described a revelation about the erosion of what blue-collar work used to represent—stability, pride, and a single income that could support a family.
Oh no. Our conservative values! We're going to lose our base!

  Dimon called America the “bastion of freedom, arsenal of democracy,” and argued that the country had “gotten bogged down and made a lot of mistakes in how to grow our economy for the benefit of all Americans.” He urged Farley to keep fighting against what he called America becoming a “nation of compliance and box-checking.”
There's so much here. "arsenal of democracy" is a wild phrase considering how many nations we've destroyed in the name of (but not by actually supporting) democracy (to say nothing of our current administration being anti-democracy). "gotten bogged down" - by what, corporate profits and CEO bonuses? All the money was flying in your face so you couldn't see the 50-year downward trend in wages and upward trend in cost of living, healthcare, education? And then "keep fighting against what he called America becoming a “nation of compliance and box-checking." - so, after corporations have destroyed the country's middle and lower classes (and environment), deregulation will save us?!?

  He warned that millions of well-paid jobs are going unfilled because they require specialized skills. Putting the salaries for these jobs at $100,000 and above, Farley argued that they require training. 
This part is amazing too. He's actually admitting that there is a wage gap. I mean, why would anyone do 5 years of training to become a diesel mechanic at $65k/yr, when they can do a 2 week bootcamp and become a JavaScript programmer for $120k?

  He said there’s a general attitude of frustration, a sense of “How the hell do we fix this?”
A whole lotta people have been shouting the answers for decades. You haven't been listening because you were all too busy stuffing profits down your bank account.

Re: Ford CEO on his ‘epiphany’ after talking to factory workers in 2023

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the structural solution to this? Offer golden handcuffs to stay for x years? - "We'll train you, and if you stay the full 8 years you get a $500,000 bonus"? - "Here's a $200,000 signing bonus, which you have to pay back if you leave before 8 years" I'd be hesitant to rely on these as a candidate, because I'd have to assume I'd get fired at year 6-7 or something so that the company could save money.

from the op: > ridiculously stupid HR practices... a structure in which the only way to get a raise was to leave the company, and that was also often the best way to get promoted too Until that culture changes, of course you're gonna assume you get fired or issued a surprise RTO order at year 7.5. When the social contract becomes penny-pinching every opportunity, of course the employees are gonna start playing that g…

Yes, but where does the culture change begin? My conundrum in trying to solve it is:

- Companies that pay in the top 1% of compensation already don't have a retention problem.

- Only 1% of companies can pay the top 1% of compensation.

- The other 99% have issues with retention.

- Companies only have $X to allocate for 10 years of employment compensation.

- Any 99% company that structures $X of compensation to provide bonus $Y for staying a long time will necessarily offer salary $(X-Y) until the reward is granted.

- Any 99% company that does not provide a reward for staying a long time can offer salary $X, which is higher than $(X-Y).

- A rational employee cannot depend on bonus $Y, and rationally should take competing offers of Salary $X over offers of Salary $X-Y.

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