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Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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this proves that freedom of speech is the only thing that ever mattered. the left toyed with it and now its the right turn. we can see now the same thing being deployed in UK targeting people sending memes. It will be same for the US.

don't ever create a precedent if you dont want your enemies to use your tools against you. that + the fact that LLMs will accelerate a lot of the surveillance industry.

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The fact that an out of touch billionaire might say such a thing doesn't bother me much, he's out of touch after all. The fact that we reliably and repeatedly see peasants (i.e. any less equal animal, so everyone here) who have no such excuse cheerleading for specific implementations in furtherance of their pet issues bothers me greatly. I'd say you ought to know better, but you do. When these subjects are discussed…

Since becoming politically active, my recurring facepalm is discovering that a whole lot of people don't see the world as I do.

I just finished If We Burn by Vincent Bevins and When the Clock Broke by John Ganz

One point (of many) repeatedly hammered home, with IRL examples, is that a whole lot of people demand Order, even at the expensive of Justice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_We_Burn

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/195790601-when-the-clock...

A very successful evergreen (authoritarian) playbook is to keep people anxious, so that they'll accede -- nay demand -- to ever more draconian, reactionary policies.

Something we're experiencing firsthand right now in the USA.

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> The thing that billionaires don't realize is that they fall into the "citizens" category. Or they realize they don't?

With that much money, you stop being any any category. You now become extra-categorical. If someone tries to hold you accountable to the rules of some category you don’t feel like you should, you just spend money to make the situation go away

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post #39

I encourage people making snap comments to read at least one entire paragraph of the article: > “We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”…

If you read the article it actually outlines how Ellison views the connection between AI and surveillance.

Police surveillance is just one part, combining different data sources and analyzing them through AI is how he envisions law enforcement to function. That cops aren't above that is perfectly coherent with that.

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post #39

I encourage people making snap comments to read at least one entire paragraph of the article: > “We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”…

We do get a say on whether we like it or not. You CAN just decide to uphold privacy rights. We make the laws

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post #39

I encourage people making snap comments to read at least one entire paragraph of the article: > “We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”…

I just assume that there's a recording of me, at pretty much all times. I have always acted as if I was under scrutiny, anyway, so it's not been that big a deal, but it is annoying, to have it as a fact of life; as opposed to a personal choice for living. Even when people are doing stuff like browsing pr0n, there's likely to be someone paying attention. Maybe not like those silly spam emails, but they know that we wa…

> just assume that there's a recording of me, at pretty much all times. I have always acted as if I was under scrutiny

Have you ever taken any civic action?

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Right because the UK is such a safe place.

On the Global Peace Index, the UK is number 30 in the world and the USA is 128, below Rwanda, China, South Africa, India, Bangladesh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

The GP’s comment has nothing to do with the US though. So what’s your point?

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post #32

"Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on" Video games and YouTube can't be entirely to blame for the significant falls in alcohol consumption and the night entertainment industry generally. People don't want to get drunk, do something stupid, and end up on blast all over the Internet now that everyone's carrying a camera connected to the ent…

I am absolutely convinced as well that this a huge factor behind younger generations not drinking as much, at least not in public. One night of fun going bad would have been forgotten in the 90s, now it could very well cost you your job or schooling. Heck forget drinking, these days there's always someone nearby who's ready to upload your worst moment to Tiktok, so don't you dare have mental health issues either.

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Re: Larry Ellison – 'citizens will be on their best behavior' amid nonstop recording

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just assume that there's a recording of me, at pretty much all times. I have always acted as if I was under scrutiny, anyway, so it's not been that big a deal, but it is annoying, to have it as a fact of life; as opposed to a personal choice for living. Even when people are doing stuff like browsing pr0n, there's likely to be someone paying attention. Maybe not like those silly spam emails, but they know that we wa…

> just assume that there's a recording of me, at pretty much all times. I have always acted as if I was under scrutiny Have you ever taken any civic action?

I assume you mean like demonstrations and whatnot. Not especially. I tend to roll up my sleeves and work in the shade.

I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying it's a thing; no matter what we think of it.

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post #39

I encourage people making snap comments to read at least one entire paragraph of the article: > “We’re going to have supervision,” Ellison said. “Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there’s a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on.”…

Even if he was sincere about wanting to hold the police accountable, hand-waving away that AI will figure it out correctly has not been working out for so far.

The AI is working perfectly for the citizen surveillance use case though. It will provide "reasonable" suspicion on anyone at any time.

We have been mired in a surveillance state for a long time now. They now will have the processing power to make sure nobody can keep their head down and slip through the cracks. I imagine it's going to be a rough century.

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