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Re: This Site Pays Developers When It Finds Them a Job

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Post by im3w1l »

dllthomas wrote: post #60
Matt_Mickiewicz wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're also approving developers with notable GitHub accounts, Computer Science grads from top Universities, etc. but it's not perfect. Employer & education are only a rudimentary filter for the time being - some of the best engineers I know are self-taught and work at companies you might not have heard of. It's a big challenge, and we'll get there eventually. I'd love to get your ideas on how to filter through candid…

The best way of assessing someone's value in this kind of work is to work with them. Extracting that second hand, through recommendations and such, seems to be substantially less reliable but perhaps there's some way to engineer around that? I wonder what you'd get if 1) recommendations were public, and 2) they were explicitly a statement that "I have worked with this person and they are better than me at X".

Working directly with every candidate would be extremely time consuming.

Re: This Site Pays Developers When It Finds Them a Job

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Post by up_and_up »

vanni wrote: post #53

"DeveloperAuction.com is currently open only to employees of Facebook, Apple, Twitter, Zynga, and Google as well as Stanford & MIT graduates." [ http://developerauction.com/for_developers ] Meh.

Wow. I guess I'll take my lowly UC Berkeley degree and startup VPE experience somewhere else. What a crock of elitist BS.

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Maybe its time to change that piece of copy to be slightly more inclusive.

Re: This Site Pays Developers When It Finds Them a Job

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Post by meaydinli »

Matt_Mickiewicz wrote: post #55
vanni wrote: post #53

"DeveloperAuction.com is currently open only to employees of Facebook, Apple, Twitter, Zynga, and Google as well as Stanford & MIT graduates." [ http://developerauction.com/for_developers ] Meh.

We're actually accepting a broader base of applicants than our site suggests, we're vetting every application manually, so if you've got some impressive stuff to show to us (and potential employers), go ahead and register. Employers & education history are only rudimentary filters for the time being, and only part of our vetting process.

How long does the vetting process usually take? (My profile has been waiting for approval for some time now and I haven't received an email saying I was accepted or rejected.)

Re: This Site Pays Developers When It Finds Them a Job

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Post by Matt_Mickiewicz »

meaydinli wrote: post #63
Matt_Mickiewicz wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're actually accepting a broader base of applicants than our site suggests, we're vetting every application manually, so if you've got some impressive stuff to show to us (and potential employers), go ahead and register. Employers & education history are only rudimentary filters for the time being, and only part of our vetting process.

How long does the vetting process usually take? (My profile has been waiting for approval for some time now and I haven't received an email saying I was accepted or rejected.)

Next auction is launching towards the end of September. If you send me an email -- matt@sitename I'm happy to have a closer look at your profile.

Re: This Site Pays Developers When It Finds Them a Job

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Post by michaelochurch »

Matt_Mickiewicz wrote: post #55
vanni wrote: post #53

"DeveloperAuction.com is currently open only to employees of Facebook, Apple, Twitter, Zynga, and Google as well as Stanford & MIT graduates." [ http://developerauction.com/for_developers ] Meh.

We're actually accepting a broader base of applicants than our site suggests, we're vetting every application manually, so if you've got some impressive stuff to show to us (and potential employers), go ahead and register. Employers & education history are only rudimentary filters for the time being, and only part of our vetting process.

Why not limit your search geographically? Start in the Valley only, then expand. It seems like this is the natural way to rate-limit.

Re: This Site Pays Developers When It Finds Them a Job

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Post by michaelochurch »

creativityhurts wrote: post #57
vanni wrote: post #53

"DeveloperAuction.com is currently open only to employees of Facebook, Apple, Twitter, Zynga, and Google as well as Stanford & MIT graduates." [ http://developerauction.com/for_developers ] Meh.

It doesn't stop anyone from creating a profile though. It's still weird, it looks more like an attempt to snatch talent from some of the highest paying employers.

Right. How do we know that they're not selecting against traits that their clients might desire?

Re: This Site Pays Developers When It Finds Them a Job

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Post by michaelochurch »

tocomment wrote: post #8

I wonder why all recruiters don't do this? It would really put them at the top of the line for a developer's attention, and with the market being so tight, you'd think we'd be seeing this.

Good recruiters start bidding wars or negotiate people to the top of what the market has for them, which is what this auction site is trying to do.

Bad recruiters go for churn: they try to fill positions regardless of fit or the candidate's long-term interests and capacity.

Re: This Site Pays Developers When It Finds Them a Job

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Post by michaelochurch »

Here's the problem with the "25x-programmer" concept. There is such a thing, but it's not just about the programmer. It's about the engineer, the company, project/person fit, the team, the technology stack, and the project itself. I've had months that were worth over $500,000 to my employer easily, but I've also had months close to zero.

Productivity compounds multiplicatively. Individual ability is certainly a factor, but not the only one. To be able to sustain 10x levels of contribution, you need to be using excellent tools that you know well, on a project that fits your skills and interests, in a position where you can have an impact (and those positions are coveted and usually allocated politically, not on merit) in addition to being a good programmer. I wish these conditions could be reliably obtained, but for most people, they can't.

That's why the 10-100x programmers aren't banking $1 million and up per year. Companies can't possibly know in advance whether a person is going to have all those other performance-altering variances in place, and they also know from experience that creating conditions in which 10x programmers can thrive is a political mess.

Re: This Site Pays Developers When It Finds Them a Job

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Post by Evbn »

up_and_up wrote: post #62
vanni wrote: post #53

"DeveloperAuction.com is currently open only to employees of Facebook, Apple, Twitter, Zynga, and Google as well as Stanford & MIT graduates." [ http://developerauction.com/for_developers ] Meh.

Wow. I guess I'll take my lowly UC Berkeley degree and startup VPE experience somewhere else. What a crock of elitist BS. == Maybe its time to change that piece of copy to be slightly more inclusive.

Yeah, and that crappy Harvard social network may as well die in its elitist crib.
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