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Re: Ollama Web Search

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I'd love to know what search engine provider they're using under the hood for this. I asked them on Twitter and didn't get a reply (yet) https://twitter.com/simonw/status/1971210260015919488 Crucially, I want to understand the license that applies to the search results. Can I store them, can I re-publish them? Different providers have different rules about this.

You can say you're training an AI model and do whatever you want with it.

Re: Ollama Web Search

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post #41

What "Ollama account?" I am confused, I thought the point of Ollama was to self-host models.

To provide additional features or using Ollama's cloud hosted models, you can signup for an Ollama account.

For starter, this is completely optional. It can be completely local too for you to publish your own models to ollama.com that you can share with others.

Re: Ollama Web Search

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's been a steady pivot to profitable features. Wonderful to see them build a reputation through FOSS and codebase from free labor to then cash in.

As long as the software that runs locally gets maintained (and ideally improved, though if it is not I’ll simply move to something else), I find it difficult to be angry. I am more annoyed by software companies that offer a nerfed "community edition" whose only purpose is to coerce people into buying the commercial version.

> software companies that offer a nerfed "community edition" whose only purpose is to coerce people into buying the commercial version.

This is the play. Its only a matter of time till they do it. Investors will want their returns

Re: Ollama Web Search

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post #9

I'd love to know what search engine provider they're using under the hood for this. I asked them on Twitter and didn't get a reply (yet) https://twitter.com/simonw/status/1971210260015919488 Crucially, I want to understand the license that applies to the search results. Can I store them, can I re-publish them? Different providers have different rules about this.

It is strange to launch this type of functionality with not even a privacy policy in place.

It makes me wonder if they’ve partnered with another of their VC’s peers who’s recently had a cash injection, and they’re being used as a design partner/customer story.

Exa would be my bet. YC backed them early, and they’ve also just closed a $85M Series B. Bing would be too expensive to run freely without Microsoft partnership.

Get on that privacy notice soon, Ollama. You’re HQ’d in CA, you’re definitely subject to CCPA. (You don’t need revenue to be subject to this, just being a data controller for 50,000 Californian residents is enough.)

https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa

I can imagine the reaction if it turns out the zero-retention provider backing them ended up being Alibaba.

Re: Ollama Web Search

#65
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it's been a steady pivot to profitable features. Wonderful to see them build a reputation through FOSS and codebase from free labor to then cash in.

What sort of monetization model would you like to see? What model would you deem acceptable?

Ollama , the local inference platform, stays completely local. Maintained by a non-profit org with dev time contributed to by a for-profit company. That company can be VC backed and can make their cloud inference platform. And can use ollama as its backed, as a platform to market etc. But keep it as a separate product (not named ollama).

This is almost exactly how duckdb/motherduck functions and I think theyre doing an excellent job.

EDIT: grammar and readability

Re: Ollama Web Search

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When we started Ollama, we were told how open-source (open-weight wasn't a term back then) will always be inferior to the close-sourced models. This was 2 years ago (Ollama's birthday is July 18th, 2023). Fast forward to now, open models are quickly catching up, and at a significantly lower price point for most and can be customized for specific tasks instead of being general purpose. For general purpose models, abso…

Ya a lot of ppl don't realize you could spend 2k on a 5090 to run some of the large models. Or spend 20 a month for models even a 5090 couldn't run. And not have to spend your own electricity, hardware, maintenance, updates etc.

20 a month for a commercial model is price dumping financed by investors. For ollama it's hopefully a sustainable price.

Re: Ollama Web Search

#67
I know it might be a security nightmare, but I still want to see an implementation of client-side web search.

Like a full search engine that can visit pages on your behalf. Is anyone building this?

Re: Ollama Web Search

#68

I know it might be a security nightmare, but I still want to see an implementation of client-side web search. Like a full search engine that can visit pages on your behalf. Is anyone building this?

sounds like a good way to get your IP flagged by cloudflare

Re: Ollama Web Search

#69

I know it might be a security nightmare, but I still want to see an implementation of client-side web search. Like a full search engine that can visit pages on your behalf. Is anyone building this?

AgenticSeek, or you can get pretty far with local qwen and Playwright-Stealth or SeleniumBase integrated directly into your Chrome (running with Chrome DevTools Protocol enabled).

Re: Ollama Web Search

#70

> Create an API key from your Ollama account. Dead on arrival. Thanks for playing, Ollama, but you've already done the leg work in obsoleting yourself.

Does anyone know if the python and JavaScript examples on the blog work without an Ollama Account?
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