Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts
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Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts
#62The article mentions paying them $587,000 each over 2 years. It also mentions at least some of the recruits were post-docs who average pay in the US is like $60k. If this is what brain drain is, where can I sign up?
I think a grant includes money for all expenses - experiments, equipment, salary for all staff not just the post-doc etc.
OAW Article on the Subject: https://www.oeaw.ac.at/en/news/harvard-princeton-mit-25-top-...
OAW Call for Nominations: https://stipendien.oeaw.ac.at/en/fellowships/apart-usa
OAW APART-USA Info: https://stipendien.oeaw.ac.at/en/fellowships/apart-usa/apart...
> "The APART-USA fellowship is granted for a period of 48 months and must be commenced within six months of notification of the grant."
> "The APART-USA fellowship amounts to a total of EUR 500,000. 25% of this funding (in total: EUR 125,000) comes from the nominating host research institution. 75% (EUR 375,000) comes from the Fonds Zukunft Österreich (FZÖ) of the National Foundation for Research, Technology and Development (NFTE)."
> "funding can be extended by up to three months at no extra cost."
> "The fellowship covers personnel costs as well as costs for relocation, travel, materials and other costs (such as mentoring, training, etc.)."
Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts
#63I was hoping the EU can capitalize on this, but remain skeptical as the EU politicians have noticed what kind of rhetoric is successful and are starting to bang the same drum louder and louder. Being anti immigration one of the main ideas. We'll see. My bet is China will be the big winner.
Recently the EU allocated billions to fund tech startups. But if you read the bare minimum demands, you'll see how suspicious it is. Like, you have to have a female co-founder , when everybody in the trade knows it's very hard to find a trustworthy co-founder of any kind. I haven't heard of anybody getting these funds. I suspect the recipients were pre-selected before the announcement and the criteria was tailored to…
How would you hear of somebody getting these funds? I don’t personally know anybody who’s gotten massive VC funding in the US either, but I think it does happen.
I don’t see any reason to be skeptical of the requirement to find a female co-founder, I mean it is clearly a program to promote equality, but that is an uncontroversial goal in some places.
Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts
#64I’m currently reading a biography of Kurt Gödel¹ and the first 60 pages are about Austria’s authoritarian-driven brain drain almost 100 years ago. ¹ https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Edge-Reason-Life-G%C3%B6del/d...
Kurt Godel rather famously claimed to have spotted logical contradictions in the US constitution, which of course is not too controversial on its own (and was probably right given who he is), but presenting this argument in response to questions about the constitution that were given as part of his citizenship test was an insane thing to try no matter how good his logic. Amazingly he still passed.
Einstein talked him out of presenting it. Recent HN conversation on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44812159
Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
On its own it isn't, but I suspect if all of these were reported you might think it quite significant.
Why do they not make an actual story out of this, do some research and publish whether there was some unusually high outflow of academics over the last two years? 25 people can not be an indication of anything. Academics especially are moving around often and take up work in different countries.
This Reuters article is based on a press release that was issued earlier today. The type of research you’re proposing would take weeks to be done, written and edited.
Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do they not make an actual story out of this, do some research and publish whether there was some unusually high outflow of academics over the last two years? 25 people can not be an indication of anything. Academics especially are moving around often and take up work in different countries.
Either it's too hard or it would show a nothing-burger. Anecdotes are better for spreading misinformation when you're constrained by being factual.
Can you point out the misinformation?
Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts
#67I was hoping the EU can capitalize on this, but remain skeptical as the EU politicians have noticed what kind of rhetoric is successful and are starting to bang the same drum louder and louder. Being anti immigration one of the main ideas. We'll see. My bet is China will be the big winner.
> My bet is China will be the big winner. Because China is so much more immigration and foreigner friendly?
China can turn on a dime. And they smell blood.
https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-entry-exit-k-visa...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8f1qs3TGs
Give it 5-10 years and the situation could look very different. If they decide to pour tons of money into it, they could dominate like with trains or solar.
Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts
#68How is 25 American takings jobs in Austria newsworthy?
Because it gets a lot of response, there's a lot of traction, many with positive sentiment, support, and "take me with you" equivalents.
Because its a sign significant numbers of people, institutions, disciplines, and demographics are thinking that way. In stock market terminology it would be a signal to investors.
Thread on Reddit 1mo ago about biotechnologist Wali Malik leaving his lab in Boston developing mass testing of active ingredients for pharmaceuticals got a decent amount of visibility. Also mentions the APART-USA grants. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1mzlk04/us_rese...
Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts
#69How is 25 American takings jobs in Austria newsworthy?
Not an academic so there could be some context I don’t know but upon reading it it’s even worse, grants for 2 years, looks more like a secondment than a coup.
According to primary sources, the program is actually for four years. The press release stated 48 months but that got printed in Reuters as two years.
Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think a grant includes money for all expenses - experiments, equipment, salary for all staff not just the post-doc etc.
OAW Article on the Subject: https://www.oeaw.ac.at/en/news/harvard-princeton-mit-25-top-... OAW Call for Nominations: https://stipendien.oeaw.ac.at/en/fellowships/apart-usa OAW APART-USA Info: https://stipendien.oeaw.ac.at/en/fellowships/apart-usa/apart... > "The APART-USA fellowship is granted for a period of 48 months and must be commenced within six months of notification of the grant." > "The APART-USA fellowship…
I don’t know if this includes starting research budget but if it does, it’s a very modest offer for top researchers. Starting research budget offered by R1 universities in the US can be millions of dollars for top researchers (in CS but that’s all I know about), before they need to get funding on their own. I guess it would be good for researchers who lost all of their funding.