I have worked on such systems at Signify: There are numerous barriers to wider adoption except for very high risk situations. For instance: there have yet to be lawsuits to determine the risk of exposing people to UV. As you see in the comments below, any "UV" is considered dangerous by people not aware of the biological effects of various wavelenghts. Besides this, excimer lamps have a low expected lifetime, of both…
there are much simpler and more reliable ways to significantly reduce indoor air contaminents. one is a building method that produces a "floating" slab floor, that has a small gap around most of the walls, and the underfloor space is vented upwards with a chimney, this creates a small but continious air current that removes most dust and other things in the air. And then the simple expedient of useing radiant heat so…
Germicidal UV could make airborne diseases as rare as those carried by water
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#62I had to do a bunch of safety research and testing. We had some grower partners experimenting with it too and they had their workers operate the system without any coverings and everyone got sunburn. Unbelievable.
Another startup working on this right now is TRIC robotics.
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#63I have worked on such systems at Signify: There are numerous barriers to wider adoption except for very high risk situations. For instance: there have yet to be lawsuits to determine the risk of exposing people to UV. As you see in the comments below, any "UV" is considered dangerous by people not aware of the biological effects of various wavelenghts. Besides this, excimer lamps have a low expected lifetime, of both…
there are much simpler and more reliable ways to significantly reduce indoor air contaminents. one is a building method that produces a "floating" slab floor, that has a small gap around most of the walls, and the underfloor space is vented upwards with a chimney, this creates a small but continious air current that removes most dust and other things in the air. And then the simple expedient of useing radiant heat so…
Apologies for my weak google-fu
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That solution is actually suggested in the article. However, that still leaves the cost issue mentioned by GP, and until that is solved, this will remain something for specialized applications (operating rooms) and maybe hypochondriac millionaires...
From a quick search, they are not millionaire-level expensive. Here for example is a 20W 222nm lamp that costs $436, with a lifetime of several thousand hours. https://uv-can.com/products/gerani-far-uv-light?srsltid=AfmB...
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
From a quick search, they are not millionaire-level expensive. Here for example is a 20W 222nm lamp that costs $436, with a lifetime of several thousand hours. https://uv-can.com/products/gerani-far-uv-light?srsltid=AfmB...
Several thousand hours is not a lot. A year is already 8760 hours.
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#66I have worked on such systems at Signify: There are numerous barriers to wider adoption except for very high risk situations. For instance: there have yet to be lawsuits to determine the risk of exposing people to UV. As you see in the comments below, any "UV" is considered dangerous by people not aware of the biological effects of various wavelenghts. Besides this, excimer lamps have a low expected lifetime, of both…
there are much simpler and more reliable ways to significantly reduce indoor air contaminents. one is a building method that produces a "floating" slab floor, that has a small gap around most of the walls, and the underfloor space is vented upwards with a chimney, this creates a small but continious air current that removes most dust and other things in the air. And then the simple expedient of useing radiant heat so…
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too much UV all at once, you mean. melanoma is not common and face and arms - the regions which receive the most sunlight a moderate amount of UV stimulates vitamin D production, suppresses inflammation, and turns on DNA repair pathways
This moderate amount of UV is enough to accelerate skin aging which is why we wear sunscreen.
But even for skin aging things aren't that simple, though sunscreen companies would love you to think that. UV light is a treatment for psoriasis, eczema, and many other skin conditions.
And vitamin D improves symptoms/reduces incidence of "hypertension, cardiovascular disease, stroke, breast cancer, colorectal cancer, metabolic syndrome, type 2 diabetes, obesity, multiple sclerosis, type 1 diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, Alzheimer’s disease, autism, schizophrenia, asthma, preterm birth, maternal mortality, myopia and COVID-19" (a lot of these are aging related).
Most studies on UV light/vitamin D supplementation have been done in mice, which are nocturnal and don't get the same benefits as us from sunlight. Here's a recent article in pigs:
UV light exposure versus vitamin D supplementation: A comparison of health benefits and vitamin D metabolism in a pig model
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095528632...
Here's a helpful review of the topic:
Are Vitamin D Supplements an Adequate Substitute for Sun Exposure?
https://esmed.org/MRA/mra/article/view/3635
In this paper we review the current state of the science on this subject and conclude that vitamin D supplements are not an adequate substitute for sun exposure for attenuation of most of these diseases and adverse health effects, particularly hypertension and cardiovascular disease, and should not be recommended in lieu of sun exposure to patients presenting with low levels of serum 25(OH)D. Vitamin D supplementation for such patients could even be harmful, because it will raise patients’ serum 25(OH)D levels, thereby giving patients a false sense of security and obscuring the best available metric for insufficient sun exposure.Re: Germicidal UV could make airborne diseases as rare as those carried by water
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there are much simpler and more reliable ways to significantly reduce indoor air contaminents. one is a building method that produces a "floating" slab floor, that has a small gap around most of the walls, and the underfloor space is vented upwards with a chimney, this creates a small but continious air current that removes most dust and other things in the air. And then the simple expedient of useing radiant heat so…
Since you seem to have a bit of knowledge here, are there any terms or links you would recommend for a novice to learn more about this floating concept? Really liking everything about this post Apologies for my weak google-fu
I know of other instalations in service for decades useing similar methods, but theses ideas and the floating slab are just physics. People are building houses here with double exterior walls acting as thermal breaks, which have no home heating installed, or ever needed, just air/heat exchange,normal domestic activity providing excess heat even @-25°c. Straw bale houses have proven to be the same. Luckily we have a long tradition of challenging building codes and getting engineers behind different ideas, but the full stack of passive technologies is still not bieng implimented at scale.
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I doubt it would be a problem for the microbiome [1] but I would worry about the immune system. Would being inside in sterilized air all the time mean you can't go outside or into a forest without getting really sick? [1] but who am I, it would still be worthwhile to check obviously
The underlying thought is that outside air (such as a forest) gets UV sterilized by the sun. So this would bring inside air up to the sterilization level of outside air.
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I doubt it would be a problem for the microbiome [1] but I would worry about the immune system. Would being inside in sterilized air all the time mean you can't go outside or into a forest without getting really sick? [1] but who am I, it would still be worthwhile to check obviously
That's not how the immune system works. Practice lets it learn how to fight specific bugs, it doesn't make it stronger overall.