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After 50 years, The Magic Circle finally inducts Penn and Teller

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Re: After 50 years, The Magic Circle finally inducts Penn and Teller

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The thing I really love about magic is that so much of it boils down to “I practiced for years and developed a seemingly superhuman ability to manipulate this object”. I really relate to this because despite being at least ostensibly “gifted” my entire academic career, almost all of my professional success has been because I have been willing to climb steep learning curves at the expense of hours of my life and extre…

A learning curve is a model for how much you can learn over time. A subject with a steep learning curve is actually one that doesn’t take much time to reach a high level. It’s the subjects with shallow slopes that take more work to raise up to proficiency.

No, the typical meaning of a learning curve is the path you walk up the hill - some hills are very steep, which takes a lot of effort.

Re: After 50 years, The Magic Circle finally inducts Penn and Teller

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The thing I really love about magic is that so much of it boils down to “I practiced for years and developed a seemingly superhuman ability to manipulate this object”. I really relate to this because despite being at least ostensibly “gifted” my entire academic career, almost all of my professional success has been because I have been willing to climb steep learning curves at the expense of hours of my life and extre…

> so much of it boils down to “I practiced for years and developed a seemingly superhuman ability to manipulate this object”.

Amateur magician here (but a magician member of the Magic Castle, so I know a few things). Manual dexterity is certainly a useful skill, but it's just a tiny part of the art of magic. You can be a consummate sleight-of-hand artist and still be a mediocre magician, and conversely, some of the best magicians don't use particularly difficult sleights. The best example of that I know of is Dani Da Ortiz's routine on Penn and Teller Fool Us:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_KcQt0z-eE

Now, Dani is in fact a master at sleight-of-hand, and so one would think that you are watching a masterclass in sleights, but no. There are a few sleights, but they are not particularly difficult, beginner-level. I could do them, and I'm not particularly skilled. The trick is based almost entirely on timing and misdirection and psychological subtleties.

The degree of psychological subtlety in top-level magic continually blows my mind. The best magicians make it look like magic even when you know how the trick is done. Dani's trick is a consummate example. The performance looks like chaos, but in fact every detail is meticulously crafted and serves a purpose. It's almost like watching a dance.

Re: After 50 years, The Magic Circle finally inducts Penn and Teller

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Does anyone have a good recommendation for a video to watch of their magic? Preferably something that’s a longer form, like something on Netflix or prime video

They have a MasterClass® class that you might like if you have an account (or if you don't!)

https://www.masterclass.com/classes/penn-and-teller-teach-th...

Re: After 50 years, The Magic Circle finally inducts Penn and Teller

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Kostya Kimlat comes to mind.

Those beady little eyes! https://youtu.be/SCFXV6o7cro?si=T7TCSHAkHvkcI2SX

I can just reiterate my prior comment:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCFXV6o7cro&lc=UgyhehHF9YBGF...

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For M. Kimlat's own commentary and someone else's particularly insightful comment:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49CSV2w0i0g&lc=UgxqIy_Vgt37q...

For the time spent on prep for the second appearance:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5VTb7fesN4

Re: After 50 years, The Magic Circle finally inducts Penn and Teller

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Penn and Teller: Fool Us is amazing. I went on a binge a year or so ago, watching everything there was to watch on YouTube (which is a lot). I love how genuinely enthusiastic and encouraging of lesser known magicians they are. Always willing to celebrate their strengths instead of mocking them for their failures. And they are excellent magicians, too. My respect for Penn also went up after he realized his hardcore li…

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Re: After 50 years, The Magic Circle finally inducts Penn and Teller

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The show Fool Us is wonderful…and this clip in particular is my favorite: https://youtu.be/5_KcQt0z-eE?si=xO5gTByzV0spzS2e

Back when national TV mostly showed national magicians, and sparingly, my family loved "Fool Us" because it brought such a variety of different magicians from all around the world into our living room. My favourite magician I've discovered since being online is Lennert Green https://www.ted.com/talks/lennart_green_close_up_card_magic_...

Really wish he'd been on Fool Us!

Re: After 50 years, The Magic Circle finally inducts Penn and Teller

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the speaking ruin some of the magic, or did it make the experience even more special?

There's plenty of video of Teller speaking. Being mute is a stage performance thing, not a mystical lifestyle choice.

Example (and an interesting talk by the way): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5x14AwElOk

Re: After 50 years, The Magic Circle finally inducts Penn and Teller

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The balls and cups with transparent cups is stunning.

Yep, it was probably what pissed off the Magic Circle. https://youtu.be/i0m8CC7Ovj8

The Magic Circle absolutely does not like revealing the trick. Penn and Teller are all about revealing the trick. They see it more or less as their moral duty to make sure you know THERE IS NO MAGIC HERE.

I've always respected them a great amount for that. I'm glad that The Magic Circle finally came around.

Re: After 50 years, The Magic Circle finally inducts Penn and Teller

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The show Fool Us is wonderful…and this clip in particular is my favorite: https://youtu.be/5_KcQt0z-eE?si=xO5gTByzV0spzS2e

Fantastic. Another great one that blew my mind (and P&T's) is Nick Einhorn from the first season, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma-S9-bgvlg&t=77s

Nah this trick is crap, it's just stooging. Kind of disappointing they let it on.
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