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Re: Slow Liquid

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Post by robin_reala »

conradev wrote: post #57
robin_reala wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My 13 mini still runs super slowly 4 days after updating. I’m just hoping for a quick patch update from Apple at this point, because 26 is a serious downgrade from 18 at this point.

When you say “running slowly”, do you mean: - Apps launch slower (time from app launch to interactivity) - Apps hang more frequently (interface freezes after interaction) - Apps drop frames (scrolling and animations stutter) I imagine it’s some combination of the above. Apps and the operating systems that run them get bigger and slower over time. There really isn’t a “slowness constant” to tweak short of animation sp…

The third: there’s stutter all over the place, jank in pretty much every animation. E.g. before leaving this comment I just swiped between two app screens and got a ~10 frame hiccough in the middle of the animation. The jank is pervasive.

Re: Slow Liquid

#65

Post by adastra22 »

defraudbah wrote: post #64
adastra22 wrote: post #53

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Linux isn’t on option on recent Mac hardware either.

asahi linux is still a thing as far as I know, give it a shot

Asahi only supports M1 and M2 at present. Having lost their main contributors, I’m not expecting that to change either.

Re: Slow Liquid

#66

Post by conradev »

robin_reala wrote: post #61
conradev wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say “running slowly”, do you mean: - Apps launch slower (time from app launch to interactivity) - Apps hang more frequently (interface freezes after interaction) - Apps drop frames (scrolling and animations stutter) I imagine it’s some combination of the above. Apps and the operating systems that run them get bigger and slower over time. There really isn’t a “slowness constant” to tweak short of animation sp…

The third: there’s stutter all over the place, jank in pretty much every animation. E.g. before leaving this comment I just swiped between two app screens and got a ~10 frame hiccough in the middle of the animation. The jank is pervasive.

A 10-frame hiccup is actually more of a hang (a single >50ms freeze) than consistent frame dropping (i.e. scrolling at 30fps)

but I agree, the hangs in the latest operating systems are brutal. Feels a little half-baked. macOS Tahoe is much worse than Sequoia on this by far. I’m hoping that the later releases (26.1, etc) make the situation better.

Re: Slow Liquid

#67

Post by _2d30 »

lapcat wrote: post #44

I'm puzzled why this very short 133 word blog post that offers nothing new — literally: "I will add my voice to the chorus" — is getting upvoted so much on HN. I don't disagree with the blog post, but it's just not interesting, informative, or useful.

People love to hate on certain companies for certain things: Apple and all things design is one of those company-thing pairs.

Just take a look at the MacOS Tahoe topic (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45252378). A HUGE portion of the comments are clearly from people who both (A) don't use MacOS and/or (B) haven't used Tahoe and they are all intensely negative.

Taking Hacker News as an inverse signal on these things makes sense. For example, HN's iPhone Air hate is making me extremely bullish on its sales prospects.

Re: Slow Liquid

#68

Post by lapcat »

_2d30 wrote: post #67
lapcat wrote: post #44

I'm puzzled why this very short 133 word blog post that offers nothing new — literally: "I will add my voice to the chorus" — is getting upvoted so much on HN. I don't disagree with the blog post, but it's just not interesting, informative, or useful.

People love to hate on certain companies for certain things: Apple and all things design is one of those company-thing pairs. Just take a look at the MacOS Tahoe topic ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45252378 ). A HUGE portion of the comments are clearly from people who both (A) don't use MacOS and/or (B) haven't used Tahoe and they are all intensely negative. Taking Hacker News as an inverse signal on these t…

The Tahoe submission was new, relevant, and informative. It was posted on the day that Tahoe was released and includes a list of Tahoe features. It wasn't just a terse "me too" post.

I also think that your analysis is reductive. Liquid Glass has some serious usability regressions, so there are very good reasons to criticize it, not just so-called "hate". In any case, there have been plenty of good, informative posts about Liquid Glass and iOS 26 in general; this submission, however, is not one of them.

Re: Slow Liquid

#69

Post by _2d30 »

lapcat wrote: post #68
_2d30 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People love to hate on certain companies for certain things: Apple and all things design is one of those company-thing pairs. Just take a look at the MacOS Tahoe topic ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45252378 ). A HUGE portion of the comments are clearly from people who both (A) don't use MacOS and/or (B) haven't used Tahoe and they are all intensely negative. Taking Hacker News as an inverse signal on these t…

The Tahoe submission was new, relevant, and informative. It was posted on the day that Tahoe was released and includes a list of Tahoe features. It wasn't just a terse "me too" post. I also think that your analysis is reductive. Liquid Glass has some serious usability regressions, so there are very good reasons to criticize it, not just so-called "hate". In any case, there have been plenty of good, informative posts…

You asked why it was upvoted and I gave you the reason. That the referenced post has quality content and some quality discussion is not a rejection of that. I referenced that post not because it is analogous to this post but that the discussion on it is revelatory (which is clear by what I said).

Hacker News truly has a large number of topics for which the reactions and responses are reflexively negative and large in magnitude (there are similar positive reactions as well!). This isn't "reductive" analysis and you didn't understand what I said if your point is "your analysis is reductive because liquid glass has some serious usability regressions". You can even look in my own post history to see that I agree with that just fine.

Still, look through the discussion! Much of it is clearly reflexive negativity and based on zero user experience.

Re: Slow Liquid

#70

Post by lapcat »

_2d30 wrote: post #69
lapcat wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Tahoe submission was new, relevant, and informative. It was posted on the day that Tahoe was released and includes a list of Tahoe features. It wasn't just a terse "me too" post. I also think that your analysis is reductive. Liquid Glass has some serious usability regressions, so there are very good reasons to criticize it, not just so-called "hate". In any case, there have been plenty of good, informative posts…

You asked why it was upvoted and I gave you the reason. That the referenced post has quality content and some quality discussion is not a rejection of that. I referenced that post not because it is analogous to this post but that the discussion on it is revelatory (which is clear by what I said). Hacker News truly has a large number of topics for which the reactions and responses are reflexively negative and large in…

The problem here is that you're talking about the comments on the submission, whereas I was not. I'm talking about the upvotes on the submission.

It's entirely expected and unsurprising that Apple's announcement of a major macOS release would receive a ton of upvotes, regardless of how people feel about the release. That's why I think your analogy is irrelevant.

A low quality submission should not receive many upvotes, and as a consequence, it should not receive many comments of any kind, positive or negative, because it won't appear on the front page of HN for people to notice and comment on it.

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