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Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#61
post #13

I can't be the only one who believes the name JavaScript should die in Peace. It was and still is the worst naming of any popular programming language in existence.

Honestly think Go is worse. So hard to google anything about it.

Add lang and that solves that issue. Although I agree that is a stupid name.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#62
post #7

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I strongly disagree. There are things far, far worse than JavaScript. I would even go so far as calling it "quite decent". I like to use it for prototyping and scripting quite a bit, it can be rather efficient and the "standard library" is very decent in my eyes. It has some footguns, and certainly used to have a couple more (that are discouraged now, but still people complain and call it bad because technically, you can still use the bad parts that any linter refuses). I even really like the idea of protoype-oriented programming and find it a bit sad we lost this in favor of classes, but I guess this actually makes the language a bit easier. Disclaimer: I am not a webdev, and if I do webdev, I use TypeScript. Personally, I consider e.g. Python far worse.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#63
post #52

The simple solution is to write everything (for the browser) in TypeScript instead and treat JavaScript only as the compilation target noone actually talks about. And compiling to JavaScript might also become a thing of the past with Webassembly. So, I think we shouldn't care about JavaScript as a name.

I am fairly sure Microsoft owns the typescript trademark.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#64

no thanks, ecmascript already is a fine name why don't we just start using it more since thats what it is why deno so hung up on this? why not focus getting people to use deno instead?

"ecma" doesn't feel right coming out of my mouth or in my ears. Perhaps because it's sound isn't common in the English language? I'm actually struggling to find any other words right now that sounds similar to ecma. But to answer your question, here we all are talking about Deno. Can't say if that was their plan all along or not, but it's working.

I know what you mean, sounds like AcneScript.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#66
post #18

Er... or spend the let me check 6 months loaded cost of one of your devs and do it yourself.

Seems this was downvoted. Well I for one agree with you.

Looks to me as if deno wants the public goodwill, but isn't willing to put their money where their mouth is. The term "brand awareness campaign" comes to mind.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#67
post #52

The simple solution is to write everything (for the browser) in TypeScript instead and treat JavaScript only as the compilation target noone actually talks about. And compiling to JavaScript might also become a thing of the past with Webassembly. So, I think we shouldn't care about JavaScript as a name.

I am fairly sure Microsoft owns the typescript trademark.

I used https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/ and didn't find it listed there. It used to belong to Lotus.

It seems that MS has not trademarked TypeScript.

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"ecma" doesn't feel right coming out of my mouth or in my ears. Perhaps because it's sound isn't common in the English language? I'm actually struggling to find any other words right now that sounds similar to ecma. But to answer your question, here we all are talking about Deno. Can't say if that was their plan all along or not, but it's working.

I know what you mean, sounds like AcneScript.

Yeah there you go my teenage angst resurfacing after all these years

Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle

#69
post #13

I can't be the only one who believes the name JavaScript should die in Peace. It was and still is the worst naming of any popular programming language in existence.

You'r not the only one: Javascript makes me think of ads; Oracle of Symphony, some restaurant stuff I worked with; hard to describe the experience. Not very safe, designed so normal people are ultra dependent on paid-for support. etc But I'm not here to rant :)

I do find that request outrageous, the true objective hidden, and I still don't grasp what the fuss is about anyway; in what way does it matter does Oracle own the name? Before being superseded by Python, wasn't JavaScript the world's most used language? Don't get me wrong, I'm no Oracle fan-boy, but why? And doesn't Oracle own Java as well? Sure, very different languages, but hard to say the same for the trademarked names, and Java is older. How about taking energy to do something else, something positive. 'JS' as somone said earlier, is pretty cool.

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