Why shut down if you have paying customers? Just let it run. Servers are dirt cheap, there's no way they are losing money at their prices.
They're hosted with rackspace afaik. So they probably are losing money.
Grove.io shutting down
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Re: Grove.io shutting down
#62Grove inspired me to make an open source alternative: Subway https://github.com/thedjpetersen/subway . And while it is far from perfect it is a start towards opening up IRC to teams.
This is what I love HN for. Thanks.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it came off that way, I apologize. I was just expressing the thought that popped into my mind when seeing this. I'm not at all trying to judge her. I think she does excellent work and has just had a few bad apples. I hope her next project is successful.
I think you might still have time to edit the post to come off the way you intended.
You might have time to drift down off that horse you're on and give the guy a break. So what if he's judging someone? He made a valid comment about the fact that this person supposedly consistently lets users of their startups down.
Re: Grove.io shutting down
#64This is why I refuse to use external services hosted by small/tiny companies that haven't open-sourced their tech. Even in this moment, they still don't seem to be bothering to open source any of it. There's a lesson to be learnt here in terms of gaining buyer trust when you're small. I continue to use our own setup for IRC.
If they open sourced it, they'd likely feel obligated to support it.
So it would kinda defeat the point of shutting grove down maybe...
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Leah is out there creating things, writing code and spending valuable time on new ventures, despite the risk and opportunity cost. I admire her courage and creativity and I can't imagine why you would say something like this. I'm sure she would have loved to have all of her projects succeed. Grove.io is a high quality service. We love using it at Leftronic and are very sad to read this news. I wish Leah and her team…
I'm not sure what I said that was so terrible. I think Leah is great and I really hate hear news like this. I also agree that the service was good. My sole point is that companies that use this service also get hurt by this shutdown. When it happens several times as it unfortunately has in her case, you start to worry about new ventures disappearing too. It is in no way a shot at Leah or her work. It's just a recogni…
Your first sentence was the thing you said that was so terrible.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really meant my point to be a counter to its parent. But since we're on the topic, presenting social proof is also pretty useful. Show customers that people know, show the press that featured you, show them who you are, who your advisors/investors are, show them whose tweeted about you. (Maybe writing this will be a catalyst to take my own advice for CircleCi)
But that's hacking trust. It's opposite to just being honest and having a publicized contingency plan, or open-source code. edit (since I can't reply): logic being that social proof is good for business, but has no substance. It doesn't make it any better for users when it comes to shutting down.
The substance of social proof is that it shows that a lot of people have faith in your product and trust you enough to pay you to use it. It's not just a gimmick, it's a concrete psychological trigger.
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#67I have never used IRC. How is it better than Google Chat?
Internet Relay Chat is THE archetype of chat protocols. It has been around since the early days of the internets. Hence the protocols and software are mature albeit with some flaws or restrictions that are hard to come by.
Google Talk is using XMPP, an XML based presence and chat protocol that has also been there for quite a while. It is widely used throughout the net apart from Google Talk.
So both protocols serve their purpose well. IRC is a little more focussed on group chats. While one to one conversations are simple, a presence service is not what IRC was made for. XMPP is strong on presence and one to one chats, with less focus on group chats.
Re: Grove.io shutting down
#68Shocking.
"Success is the ability to move from one failure to another without loss of enthusiasm" - Winston Churchill.
If she keeps at it, she will do a successful product, too.
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you might still have time to edit the post to come off the way you intended.
You might have time to drift down off that horse you're on and give the guy a break. So what if he's judging someone? He made a valid comment about the fact that this person supposedly consistently lets users of their startups down.
I'm pretty happy up on this horse. Acting like that to people is not OK. Calling it out as a dick move is the way to combat it.
You say "supposedly" but you just assumed it was "valid". So without evidence or context, you took him at face value and now assume bad things about the person in question. That's why it's a dick move.
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It takes time. Some kind of competitive advantage over everything else in the marketplace will help to. People need a reason to bet on your company which overcomes the risk in instability. As time passes and your service stays solid more people will come on board. Something like github is a good example. I doubt many big companies would have considered relying on them early on, but their track record has changed that…
Yeah but, Github is a different sort of product. You don't lose much if it shuts down (assuming you have your code). You can push your code someplace else.
Surely most of the value of using github is the web UI?