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Re: Introducing Stargate UK

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From what I gather the UKians have a real chip on their shoulders from being left out of every tech revolution of the recent decades (chips, EVs and assorted green energy tech, rockets and now AI)

I'm assuming you are a hunter because your gathering skills suck.

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From what I gather the UKians have a real chip on their shoulders from being left out of every tech revolution of the recent decades (chips, EVs and assorted green energy tech, rockets and now AI)

Green energy like the world’s largest offshore windfarms which are in the UK? Or the SMRs Rolls-Royce are developing? Chips like those designed by Arm that can be found in almost everything these days? AI like DeepMind?

Well, there's something to be said about the inability to capitalize long term.

Britain has managed to be at the forefront of all those revolutionary technologies, but when the real break out happens somehow the Americans swoop in and buy the winners. That's shaky ground for future ingenuity.

ARM seems to have been very important to Cambridge at large, but it's not Silicon Valley. I can sort of understand why politicians would look back at things and ponder what could have been done differently.

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Why not have this located in northern Scotland taking advantage of the surplus wind power being wasted due to north-south grid capacity, instead it’s likely going to be powered by gas generators. In general the UK government talks growth but so far has delivered anti growth. Tech outsourcing seems to have really picked up since the NI changes.

Isn't there a half-decent changes Scotland votes for independence from the UK in the foreseeable future? Seems like that is in opposition to the goal of data and compute soverignty.

Not really. Scotland's status is in the gift of the UK government. They've given them one vote already, they won't get another for a long time.

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From what I gather the UKians have a real chip on their shoulders from being left out of every tech revolution of the recent decades (chips, EVs and assorted green energy tech, rockets and now AI)

Green energy like the world’s largest offshore windfarms which are in the UK? Or the SMRs Rolls-Royce are developing? Chips like those designed by Arm that can be found in almost everything these days? AI like DeepMind?

I might've misspoken, I didn't mean to imply the UK didn't contribute significantly to these fields, it's that they didn't manage to establish themselves as major players.

I assure you I've heard these sentiments from real Brits.

While I'm not going to question the contributions of UK people and companies to these fields, but with the exception of RR, none of these companies are actually still in the hands of Britons, DeepMind is Google, ARM has been brought out by SoftBank (and Imagination that used to do the GPUs for the iPhone has been kind of sidelined).

The UK is not percieved as a mover and shaker in the rocketry industry like the USA is with SpaceX and the like, and not even to the extent other players like Russia/China are.

Sota AI is made today by US and Chinese firms, while the UK might have an extensively built out green infrastructure, it's made out of foreign-made equipment, no UK company makes EVs like the way Tesla or VW does etc.

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Isn't there a half-decent changes Scotland votes for independence from the UK in the foreseeable future? Seems like that is in opposition to the goal of data and compute soverignty.

Not really. Scotland's status is in the gift of the UK government. They've given them one vote already, they won't get another for a long time.

Even if it does somehow happen, there would need to be agreements in place for these cross border transactions to continue. It would shatter the economies to draw a hard line between the two nations.

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Why not have this located in northern Scotland taking advantage of the surplus wind power being wasted due to north-south grid capacity, instead it’s likely going to be powered by gas generators. In general the UK government talks growth but so far has delivered anti growth. Tech outsourcing seems to have really picked up since the NI changes.

Isn't there a half-decent changes Scotland votes for independence from the UK in the foreseeable future? Seems like that is in opposition to the goal of data and compute soverignty.

To add to the other replies, the SNP have been the biggest political driver of the independence efforts and they seem to be falling out of favour at the moment.

It made me laugh when Nicola Sturgeon, who was the leader of the SNP for a long old time and who has been at the forefront of the Scottish Independence movement for many years, one of its most recognisable voices, recently announced she might retire to London because Scotland was now feeling a little bit suffocating.

So I think the idea of Scotland splitting from the UK is on the back burner for the forseeable future. It had a real moment in 2014 but didn't make it over the line. I don't think the UK government will be allowing another vote any time soon.

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Why not have this located in northern Scotland taking advantage of the surplus wind power being wasted due to north-south grid capacity, instead it’s likely going to be powered by gas generators. In general the UK government talks growth but so far has delivered anti growth. Tech outsourcing seems to have really picked up since the NI changes.

Isn't there a half-decent changes Scotland votes for independence from the UK in the foreseeable future? Seems like that is in opposition to the goal of data and compute soverignty.

Unlikely. Don’t believe the online discourse to be representative of the people.

See: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/25/scottish-ind...

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Isn't there a half-decent changes Scotland votes for independence from the UK in the foreseeable future? Seems like that is in opposition to the goal of data and compute soverignty.

Unlikely. Don’t believe the online discourse to be representative of the people. See: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/25/scottish-ind...

Even before mass online discourse, divisive seperatist figures like Alex Salmond and Nigel Farage were regularly paid to appear on Russia Today. Salmond even had his own show!

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Ok let’s assume that AI will be a game changer. How does hosting it in the UK change anything? Just feels like something to brag about, but doesn’t have any impact. The UK is suffering from persistently expensive electricity ( https://grid.iamkate.com/ , see All-Time). How does hosting AI data centres help with that?

In Norway I've noticed that stringent requirements for privacy make it much easier to run things in the cloud if the physical location of said cloud is actually in Norway. So if OpenAI is hosting their services within the borders of the UK, then they would also be beholden to UK law. Makes it easier for the financial sector, government and healthcare to use their AI models than if they would have to send their data t…

But as a US company it’s also under US jurisdiction. So the alphabet agencies still get their data handed on a silver platter.
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