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Should we drain the Everglades?

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Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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I used to live in this part of the country. There's an insane amount of disregard for the environment and climate. Yes, new buildings have to be reinforced against hurricanes. But they are still building new houses only a few meters above sea level, as if sea level rise wasn't already unavoidable. And on the largest scale, there is a limit to the amount of fresh groundwater that wells along the South Florida coast ca…

How do you feel about Holland?

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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One thing I don’t understand is why so many appreciate the Everglades. To me a landscape infested with aggressive animals (gators) doesn’t sound attractive or safe. Between them and the invasive snakes I feel like you would need to be on guard all the time. Maybe drain it, replace it with different animals that are friendly, and then refill it. I’m only sort of joking.

I feel the same way about Miami.

Everything from Miami to Ft. Myers was the Everglades.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leeches freak me out, I can't imagine swimming with (or falling on) the gators!

Why? That's like being afraid of mosquitoes. You can't even really feel a leech.

Because we're large. In nature, crocodilians prey on small/mid-size mammals and birds. Humans are larger than their normal prey, and we're also tall, so we appear more massive to them. And most predators actively avoid animals that are too large to be their prey.

That's why it gets so much more dangerous if you're swimming. If a crocodile is above the water, then it can only see your head. And it's just the right size to be its prey.

And if the crocodile is underwater, then it may be even worse. Humans usually look clumsy when swimming, just like an animal in distress. In other words, an easy prey.

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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post #48

I used to live in this part of the country. There's an insane amount of disregard for the environment and climate. Yes, new buildings have to be reinforced against hurricanes. But they are still building new houses only a few meters above sea level, as if sea level rise wasn't already unavoidable. And on the largest scale, there is a limit to the amount of fresh groundwater that wells along the South Florida coast ca…

“a few meters above sea level” is still not sea level. That’s a good 12-15 feet to work with.

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post #56

Halfway in I realized the author is just narrating the Wikipedia article. If you'd rather just read it without the attempts to be funny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draining_and_development_of_th...

Yea, so here's the tl;dr history in the article: 1. The author, who actually cribbed from wikipedia, gets the willies when he sees shallow water infested with tens of thousands of perfectly happy alligators. All he thinks is that amazing commerce will happen when he kills all the kind gators, flushes the state, and runs away before the next time it rains. 2. Everyone throughout history has wanted to Drain The Swamp.…

*Gulf of Mexico

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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As a Pasco county alumni, I think we should drop the people who want to drain the everglades off in the everglades and leave them in there until they gain an appreciation for the scenery.

We ought to balance it out by doing something comparable to the people who simp for heavy handed regulations in areas that have already been build up and altered greatly by humans.

Yeah! let's Make Everglades Zug Island Again!

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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post #48

I used to live in this part of the country. There's an insane amount of disregard for the environment and climate. Yes, new buildings have to be reinforced against hurricanes. But they are still building new houses only a few meters above sea level, as if sea level rise wasn't already unavoidable. And on the largest scale, there is a limit to the amount of fresh groundwater that wells along the South Florida coast ca…

“a few meters above sea level” is still not sea level. That’s a good 12-15 feet to work with.

Iirc, there are scientific estimates that Greenland's ice sheet alone would raise sea levels by 24 ft if it melted.

12-15 ft may really not be enough for very long.

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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post #48

I used to live in this part of the country. There's an insane amount of disregard for the environment and climate. Yes, new buildings have to be reinforced against hurricanes. But they are still building new houses only a few meters above sea level, as if sea level rise wasn't already unavoidable. And on the largest scale, there is a limit to the amount of fresh groundwater that wells along the South Florida coast ca…

How do you feel about Holland?

Holland’s dykes are mostly built on impermeable clay.

As I understand it, that’s not possible in Florida, or at least in places like Miami, where the soil is almost entirely sand.

Holland has been creating progressively better soil surveys since the 1800’s, partially to allow them to place dykes intelligently.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00167...

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