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China is ditching the dollar, fast: Officials believe the yuan has come of age

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Re: China is ditching the dollar, fast: Officials believe the yuan has come of age

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While in decline or development of a country, education comes first, the rest sectors follow and currency as world reserve comes last.

We seem to be at the middle stage for US and China, the former going down, the latter up. Top world currency change will come sometime.

Re: China is ditching the dollar, fast: Officials believe the yuan has come of age

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This. All the talk about about trade or industrial might is pointless if the Yuan isn’t fully convertible and the exchange rate floats. And China isn’t going to do that any time soon because of capital flight out of China and the artificially low Yuan pumps exports.

Good for their Citizens then. Take your time China, elevate your middle class with your economic might and show the world what you can become. Falling into the economic trap of what becomes open borders may not be in your favor past a few generations of the upper class.

It is a mixed bag for citizens. If they want to go abroad or buy something abroad, they have to go through a complex dance to get the dollars they need. In the past this was harder, then easier, then harder again...so whatever. It makes moving abroad more appealing to some Chinese (so they can earn a convertible currency rather than yuan), which isn't ideal for the Chinese government.

I definitely don't think they should move to a convertible currency without a more stable financial system. They also rely on yuan being saved in China (because you can't invest your money easily outside) to drive cheaper investment capital in China.

Re: China is ditching the dollar, fast: Officials believe the yuan has come of age

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As opposed to China, who will probably invade pretty much every Asian country, and the only big unknown is the order. Western China is annexed. Nepal is Annexed. Hong Kong is annexed. Mongolia is 100% under Chinese control. Northwest Pakistan is 95% under Chinese control. Parts of Russia, Afghanistan, Tajikistan and other countries are under Chinese control to a greater or lesser extent, and all those countries have…

What a ridiculous take. > Hong Kong is annexed Hong Kong was taken over by the British after the opium wars. It never belonged to the British in the first place. > As opposed to China, who will probably invade pretty much every Asian country, and the only big unknown is the order. As opposed to the various US government who have overthrown countless foreign governments when those failed to align themselves with the U…

> Hong Kong was taken over by the British after the opium wars. It never belonged to the British in the first place.

Isn't almost every country a result of "X took over Y during _ war?" and we recognize those borders everywhere?

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What a ridiculous take. > Hong Kong is annexed Hong Kong was taken over by the British after the opium wars. It never belonged to the British in the first place. > As opposed to China, who will probably invade pretty much every Asian country, and the only big unknown is the order. As opposed to the various US government who have overthrown countless foreign governments when those failed to align themselves with the U…

> Hong Kong was taken over by the British after the opium wars. It never belonged to the British in the first place. Isn't almost every country a result of "X took over Y during _ war?" and we recognize those borders everywhere?

No, otherwise the whole decolonization would never have happened.

Same with the war in Ukraine, even if Russia managed to conquer all of it, would the world recognize that Ukraine belongs to Russia? I don't think so.

Re: China is ditching the dollar, fast: Officials believe the yuan has come of age

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> Hong Kong was taken over by the British after the opium wars. It never belonged to the British in the first place. Isn't almost every country a result of "X took over Y during _ war?" and we recognize those borders everywhere?

No, otherwise the whole decolonization would never have happened. Same with the war in Ukraine, even if Russia managed to conquer all of it, would the world recognize that Ukraine belongs to Russia? I don't think so.

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Re: China is ditching the dollar, fast: Officials believe the yuan has come of age

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Move to what exactly?

This article is explaining that yuan is making meaningful headway.

The yuan is not freely exchangeable and doesn't float. How can a currency like that be the world's reserve?

Would you agree to sell $10M in oil if you got paid in yuan that you're not sure you can convert into another currency? Where you're not sure the Chinese government won't change it's mind and dramatically change the exchange rate?

Re: China is ditching the dollar, fast: Officials believe the yuan has come of age

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post #29

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This. All the talk about about trade or industrial might is pointless if the Yuan isn’t fully convertible and the exchange rate floats. And China isn’t going to do that any time soon because of capital flight out of China and the artificially low Yuan pumps exports.

Good for their Citizens then. Take your time China, elevate your middle class with your economic might and show the world what you can become. Falling into the economic trap of what becomes open borders may not be in your favor past a few generations of the upper class.

What does open borders have to do with currency?

Re: China is ditching the dollar, fast: Officials believe the yuan has come of age

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This article is explaining that yuan is making meaningful headway.

The yuan is not freely exchangeable and doesn't float. How can a currency like that be the world's reserve? Would you agree to sell $10M in oil if you got paid in yuan that you're not sure you can convert into another currency? Where you're not sure the Chinese government won't change it's mind and dramatically change the exchange rate?

Why are you asking for my opinion when other sovereign countries are the ones issuing yuan bonds and migrating away from the dollar?

Re: China is ditching the dollar, fast: Officials believe the yuan has come of age

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The yuan is not freely exchangeable and doesn't float. How can a currency like that be the world's reserve? Would you agree to sell $10M in oil if you got paid in yuan that you're not sure you can convert into another currency? Where you're not sure the Chinese government won't change it's mind and dramatically change the exchange rate?

Why are you asking for my opinion when other sovereign countries are the ones issuing yuan bonds and migrating away from the dollar?

Issuing bonds and “moving away” aren’t the same as becoming the world’s reserve currency.

People are getting confused.

It’s like saying because I shopped at Walmart last week, Walmart will become the sole supplier of everything I buy.

Re: China is ditching the dollar, fast: Officials believe the yuan has come of age

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Why are you asking for my opinion when other sovereign countries are the ones issuing yuan bonds and migrating away from the dollar?

Issuing bonds and “moving away” aren’t the same as becoming the world’s reserve currency. People are getting confused. It’s like saying because I shopped at Walmart last week, Walmart will become the sole supplier of everything I buy.

A lot of transactions moving away does not mean moving away entirely to a sole new supplier.

Even a 10% decline in dollar usage is "moving away". Bit by bit, the rest of the world starts using alternatives. That's how the British pound went down from global reserve to 4% of reserves. It took 70 years for this gradual decline.

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