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Nepal picks a new prime minister on a discord server days after social media ban

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Re: Nepal picks a new prime minister on a discord server days after social media ban

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I highly recommend anyone interested in these processes read “The Democratic Coup”.

It tries to explain the circumstances where a coup such as this can lead to democracy.

Key interesting example include Portugal in 1974 ... and the American Revolution against the British.

It’s happened before and it could well happen again here. My heart goes out to the protestors. May they fill the power vacuum with strong leaders who can make their country better for future generations.

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I'm hereby announcing my candidacy for world leader. I'll be running on a populist platform of self-enrichment. My first executive order will be to give myself access to unlimited money. Then I will use the money to acquire and/or launch tech companies and use price-gouging and predatory lending techniques to run all major corporations out of business. Then I will proclaim myself "The most cunning entrepreneur in the…

If you politician bastards would just stick to your promises, I'd vote for you.

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i ve been waiting for democracies to go digital for ages. We should be electing mayors like that too. there s no reason for all this gatekeeping and secrecy in politics other than to enable corruption

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's two competing issues here:

1) You could make digital elections secure with issued digital IDs, and simply recording everyone's vote and it would be easily auditable.

But no one wants elections where (the contents of) your vote is recorded somewhere.

So 2) You use your digital ID to be able to vote once, but if you're no longer connected to your vote, it would be much more susceptible to tampering if you can't establish a double blind chain of custody of the votes, which is what expensive in person voting is doing very well.

The first option would be great if you could somehow guarantee a corruption free future of your country where no one will come after you for your vote (hint: you can't).

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post #20

i ve been waiting for democracies to go digital for ages. We should be electing mayors like that too. there s no reason for all this gatekeeping and secrecy in politics other than to enable corruption

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's two competing issues here: 1) You could make digital elections secure with issued digital IDs, and simply recording everyone's vote and it would be easily auditable. But no one wants elections where (the contents of) your vote is recorded somewhere. So 2) You use your digital ID to be able to vote once, but if you're no longer connected to your vote, it would be much more suscepti…

Isn’t there a way to do the first option, but without attaching anyone’s votes to their digital id, except in a cryptographic way such that any individual person can look up their own vote online and verify that their vote has been counted correctly (with their own personal cryptographic key if some kind), but no one without the key can see which person made a given vote? I’m sure I remember watching a Ted talk about this years ago, but don’t remember the specific talk at the moment.

I’m sure there are other obstacles to surmount, but if that system works, you could have a digital id, use it to vote every time, and audit your own vote without anyone else knowing what you voted.

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post #29

This also makes me wonder what could be done to make discord (or something similar) a better venue for direct democracy. I know the circumstances in Nepal were exceptional, but I wonder if we will see other countries experiment with Discord for similar purposes. It seems like in Nepal they have essentially used it as a caucus, and I wonder if this could be shaped into a better way to elect leaders (or even legislate…

> My wife and I were talking about this today and we thought it's possible that what has just happened in Nepal is at least in some sense the most democratic thing any country has ever done. I don't see that argument at all. What was so democratic about it? Violent overthrowal of the government may sometimes be justified, but it is not an act of democracy.

Sorry, I wasn’t very clear. I didn’t mean the overthrow of the government was democratic. I was referring to the people in the discord server choosing a new leader.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's two competing issues here: 1) You could make digital elections secure with issued digital IDs, and simply recording everyone's vote and it would be easily auditable. But no one wants elections where (the contents of) your vote is recorded somewhere. So 2) You use your digital ID to be able to vote once, but if you're no longer connected to your vote, it would be much more suscepti…

Isn’t there a way to do the first option, but without attaching anyone’s votes to their digital id, except in a cryptographic way such that any individual person can look up their own vote online and verify that their vote has been counted correctly (with their own personal cryptographic key if some kind), but no one without the key can see which person made a given vote? I’m sure I remember watching a Ted talk about…

Until someone with the proverbial $5 wrench shows up and tells you to unlock your last election's vote to prove you're one of the good guys?

I don't think we should ever be able to know any individual's vote.

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even with no new laws, most countries still have non-automatic decisions to be made just as part of the structure.

But I guess they shouldn't... Ie. The goal of lawmakers should always be to, at any given point, have a set of laws such that the country will continue for as long as possible with no further laws. Ie. Perhaps do budgets by percentage of GDP rather than fixed amounts.

It's not just about making new laws, but also running the executive branch institutions such as the police, intelligence, and military. It depends on the country's constitution, but Nepal is supposed to have a civilian authority at the head of these. The alternative would be to have left all this in the hands of the military

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This also makes me wonder what could be done to make discord (or something similar) a better venue for direct democracy. I know the circumstances in Nepal were exceptional, but I wonder if we will see other countries experiment with Discord for similar purposes. It seems like in Nepal they have essentially used it as a caucus, and I wonder if this could be shaped into a better way to elect leaders (or even legislate…

I daydream about a open source peer reviewed system, that can process votes, control, manage government at every level through general public and open voting system. Distributing control ultimately.

Same here! But really wonder if we don’t already have all the needed technology and someone just needs to put it together…and convince their society to make use of it.

I really like this kind of conversation because as I read peoples comments I see where some of the obstacles are.

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