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Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by calvinmorrison »

nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

Fastmail is a good product with technical chops, contributes to open source and cares generally about being good members of the international email space, standards etc.

Fastmails interface is very plain, and it works very fast and works well.

They support a plethora of ways to do mail and have many advanced users so their mail support is very good, maybe close to running your own mail server without having to deal with rbls and getting spamlisted

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by const_cast »

nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

My experience is the apps are missing very fundamental features. Which would be fine... If you could use other clients. But you can't, except for email, kind of.

Like, the calendar on mobile doesnt even have a search function. What if I want to know when an event is happening? I just have to scroll and scroll until I find it? Come on now. Also no storage backup in proton drive??? What??? That's, like, 90% of the purpose of proton drive!

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by DanOpcode »

nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

I recently moved from Gmail to Migadu and started to use my own domain instead. Works great so far

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by Insanity »

alsetmusic wrote: post #40
j-bos wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a great point. I guess at this point it'd be ideal for them to treat this an incident and do a proper postmortem with timelines and decision calculus.

But that would be contrary to their clear intention thus far: to sweep this under the rug. /s I had previously liked Proton. I started seeing bits and pieces of info about their security being lackluster over the past year or so, causing doubt about their credibility. I'm definitely done with them after this.

This is honestly sad to see. I use Proton and advocate it to others. This does make me rethink my position somewhat - although I’d argue it’s still better than Google / Microsoft-owned email services.

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by mdaniel »

aryonoco wrote: post #49
nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

I moved from Proton to Fastmail (and Mullvad for VPN). I was a a founding paying member of Proton Mail. I loved them and evangelised them for years. But after a decade, the quality of the offering, especially the mail and calendar, is almost a joke, and the company seems very distracted chasing the next big thing (the half baked password manager being one). Comparing Fastmail’s UI and feature set with Proton, you qui…

> (the half baked password manager being one).

Or a very bizarre LLM offering: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44657556

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by j-bos »

const_cast wrote: post #62
nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

My experience is the apps are missing very fundamental features. Which would be fine... If you could use other clients. But you can't, except for email, kind of. Like, the calendar on mobile doesnt even have a search function. What if I want to know when an event is happening? I just have to scroll and scroll until I find it? Come on now. Also no storage backup in proton drive??? What??? That's, like, 90% of the purp…

Yeah I was really disappointed they released their llm service before making an official proton drive linux client.

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Post by Modified3019 »

nsagent wrote: post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

I moved to Fastmail a few years ago. No real complaints, and I’d definitely do it all over again.

That said, because I’ve not experienced any failure, I’ve not experienced how well Fastmail handles failure, which is the real measure of a company.

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Post by eek2121 »

fivefives55555 wrote: post #9

I've been following this on X/Twitter and I think one of the most egregious things that's important to point out is that folks from Phrack reached out to Proton in private multiple times, and Proton ghosted them. Proton only engaged with them and then reinstated the accounts after Phrack went public and their X/Twitter post went viral. It also looks like one of the writers filed an appeal with Proton and Proton denie…

Proton does not require a shred of proof that you are a real human being either, fyi. I'm not actually attacking them for this specifically, because I feel that we need privacy focused tools, however the fact that I was able to create a few hundred proton email addresses in seconds by injecting usernames/passwords was scary, even to me. I'm surprised they aren't on spam block lists worldwide. Their captcha is child's play that a script can defeat with simple image examination. i encourage them to buff up their spam controls, just a bit, and decrease moderation by a lot unless they can promptly deal with cases such as this.

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Post by nicce »

baxtr wrote: post #52
fivefives55555 wrote: post #9

I've been following this on X/Twitter and I think one of the most egregious things that's important to point out is that folks from Phrack reached out to Proton in private multiple times, and Proton ghosted them. Proton only engaged with them and then reinstated the accounts after Phrack went public and their X/Twitter post went viral. It also looks like one of the writers filed an appeal with Proton and Proton denie…

On a positive note: having reach on social media can solve problems nowadays.

The effect is opposite - things get fixed only when you get enough social noise and that is not good.
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