Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens • Hacker News Board

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by toomuchtodo » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 5:24 PM UTC

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #45

sciencesama wrote: post #40

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What percent of tech jobs?

Don't have a percentage handy, but these resources are likely useful for your inquiry.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/04/what-we-k...

https://www.epi.org/blog/tech-and-outsourcing-companies-cont...

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/reports/U...

https://www.uscis.gov/tools/reports-and-studies/h-1b-employe...

(if you email Pew Research, I've found their research team to be receptive to inquiries when they have the data but did not include it in a publication)

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by mikert89 » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 5:25 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #48

mikert89 wrote: post #19

There's another thing happening which people haven't really heard much about, which is basically ChatGPT Pro is really good at making legal arguments. And so people that previously would never have filed something like a discrimination lawsuit can now use ChatGPT to understand how to respond to managers' emails and proactively send emails that point out discrimination in non-threatening manner, and so in ways that cr…

> ChatGPT Pro is really good at making legal arguments It’s good at initiating them. I’ve started to see folks using LLM output directly in legal complaints and it’s frankly a godsend to the other side since blatantly making shit up is usually enough to swing a regulator, judge or arbitrator to dismiss with prejudice.

Posted my response below, you have no idea how impactful this is going to be

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by crooked-v » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 5:27 PM UTC

snozolli wrote: post #49

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Newsom vetoed the ban [1]. A pair of professors are having a bad time trying to got CSU’s ban on caste-based discrimination thrown out on the grounds of being religiously discriminatory [2]. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/09/us/california-caste-discrimin... [2] https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/23...

Newsom vetoed the ban [1] From that article: In a statement explaining his veto decision, Newsom said the measure was “unnecessary” because discrimination based on caste is already prohibited in the state. (Just adding context that I would have missed if not for another commenter pointing it out further down)

For whatever it's worth, that's been a consistent trend with other things Newsom has vetoed with statements that he considers the vetoed item to be already covered by other laws, including some purely technical legislative things. I think it's likely that he sees himself as trying to keep California bureaucracy from growing indefinitely, especially with his push for things like CEQA process reduction/simplification.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by silentsea90 » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 5:27 PM UTC

throwmeaway222 wrote: post #9

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There are also Indians who loathe being on such teams and actively seek diverse meritocratic teams, as one of those Indians.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by pavel_lishin » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 5:27 PM UTC

ajross wrote: post #29

pavel_lishin wrote: post #18

> How many 20-something software engineers even know how to use a post office in 2025? Ok, come on, this is just an insulting "kids these days" throw-away line that is absolutely not necessary.

That's an editorial point, not a substantial one. Obviously requiring an application be submitted by an inconvenient and antiquated method that isn't used by the demographic in question is going to create friction and reduce the number of applications. That this is expressed in a whimsical way (personally I liked the turn of phrase, but that's an issue of taste) might personally offend you but doesn't change the subs…

I'm not complaining about the substance, but the tone feels weirdly disdainful of the people impacted across the whole thing. It almost feels like the author was assigned this topic & overall goal, but hates the people she's writing about.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by bitshiftfaced » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 5:28 PM UTC

sciencesama wrote: post #40

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That's not the only way you can work in the US. "In 2023 17.9% of employed workers were immigrants"

https://usafacts.org/answers/what-percent-of-jobs-in-the-us-...

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by sjiabq » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 5:30 PM UTC

teachrdan wrote: post #11

throwmeaway222 wrote: post #9

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Out of curiosity, do they favor hiring Indians in general, or Hindu Indians in particular. (To the exclusion of Muslim Indians)

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Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by joshcsimmons » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 5:32 PM UTC

So grateful to see this being picked up by mainstream news outlets. Anecdotally I know quite a few engineers with experience ranging from small startup to long FAANG tenures that cannot even get an interview. It makes no sense to source outside of the US when qualified American workers cannot get jobs. At some point that became a radical stance and I'm sure I'll be flamed for it here.

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by supjeff » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 5:33 PM UTC

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #4

If Apple and Meta have had to pay $38 million for engaging in these practices I don't understand why they used the subtle "chronically-online" dig against people trying to expose it: "And this has given rise to a cottage industry of chronically-online types — in other words, typical tech workers — seeking to expose them."

I feel like there was a lot of nonsense ideas for what is such a short, and supposedly journalistically rigorous article

Re: Corporations are trying to hide job openings from US citizens

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Fri, Sep 12, 2025, 5:34 PM UTC

toomuchtodo wrote: post #57

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This bill is a hunk of Swiss cheese. Great for lawyers and bankers and possibly global tech companies, depending on how it parses out in court.

I'm willing to walk before running. Have to start somewhere.

> willing to walk before running. Have to start somewhere

It doesn’t walk anywhere. It’s another handout to finance and law. The B2B carve-out and lack of border adjustments makes this a regressive tax on consumers and manufacturers to fund tech, law and finance. (The only jobs this would materially cover are those in call centres for consumers. Which in practice, means voice LLMs.)

Like, I made money from tariffs. I will do well from the OBBA. I will do well from this bill. But American consumers and workers will keep getting screwed, and I’m not sure how this playbook keeps working.