I’ve wasted probably the entire last week of work based on rabbit holes presented to me by Claude as viable approaches. I’ve learned my lesson.
All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme
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Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme
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I 100% agree that this is how the experience is right now. I don't necessarily think it will stay this way, though. The tools are so new, we shouldn't be so sure that the future versions won't allow non-coders to code successfully.
Isn't it a subset of "understanding".. AI as we have them currently emulates something that understands us. If you ask it to write a program, how would a non-coder know if the output of the emulated understanding is accurate enough as code, or a miss? Reminds me of the joke: int getRandom() { return 4; // chosen by a dice, guaranteed to be random }
>how would a non-coder know if the output if the emulated understanding is accurate
QA for non-AI code is limited at best to begin with, why would AI code be any different?
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#63I’ve wasted probably the entire last week of work based on rabbit holes presented to me by Claude as viable approaches. I’ve learned my lesson.
What were you working on and what were the rabbit holes?
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#64The trick is that you have to be a good coder to get the most out of "vibe" coding. It works great for me, but I deploy all of the knowledge I've acquired over the decades as a professional developer. You need to know how to architect systems, what data structures and algorithms to ask for, how to design a product, many facets of graphic and user interface design, how to parcel out work, how to parallelize tasks. Eve…
This has been my experience. I only have 12 years under my belt, but I've had a lot of good results using Claude Code/Cursor agent since this May. You have to know what questions to ask, how to mold the requirements with the agent, what to tell it to do. I treat it like an employee I'm pairing with. My productivity is at a new level.
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#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
This will be a big problem in the future if it means more companies choosing not to hire/train juniors. Eventually all the experienced people will be dead or retired.
Assuming the current way to become senior is the only way? I could still see a select few being given a foot in the door and leaping over the "argh why doesn't it compile" stage, past the "argh, I need a whole new architecture" stage to become senior in a few years. Every cohort has a few unicorns. Alternatively, coding goes the way of the calculator. By that I mean, the people that used to be part of the engineering…
I don't see "senior vibe coder" going in any way that doesn't end in constant forest fires that they try to put out with a flamethrower. This happens even with seasoned engineers. Unicorn hunting for the exceptions will be every bit as infeasible in 2045 as it was in 2005.
> You just hire domain experts and give them the AI hoping the domain expertise is all you need to get you through the day.
what domain experts? Clearly they are trying to replace everyone with AI. That's the unsettling part of the whole story; this phenomenon is happening across many sectors who want to try and skimp out on talent.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
> we shouldn't be so sure that the future versions won't allow non-coders to code successfully Care to put some money behind this fantastical claim, in a bet?
Sure, if you granted me odds commiserate with my statement that "you can't be so sure", meaning I would get like 99-1 odds. I wasn't saying it will certainly reach the point where non-coders can code, I am saying we can't be certain it won't just because it can't yet
1:1 odds, but i'll give you a huge (tech-wise) time horizon of, say, 3 years?
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#67The momentum behind vibe coding is driven by an underestimation/misunderstanding of what it takes to build software.
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#68The trick is that you have to be a good coder to get the most out of "vibe" coding. It works great for me, but I deploy all of the knowledge I've acquired over the decades as a professional developer. You need to know how to architect systems, what data structures and algorithms to ask for, how to design a product, many facets of graphic and user interface design, how to parcel out work, how to parallelize tasks. Eve…
It really depends what you're coding. I'm a former PM who can't code, and I'm currently using GPT-5 in Cursor to write an internal application for my business of acquiring and operating e-commerce brands that sell on Amazon. I'm really vibe coding (just clicking accept without ever reading any of the code changes), and it's working great! I've got a whole dashboard that's retrieving inventory and sales data from multiple Amazon stores, projecting future sales and reorder point, etc. The code might be total dogshit, but it's incredibly useful for me (and also really enjoyable).
That said I might be sort of a weird case, since I am accustomed to designing and documenting product requirements, the fact that it's just for me means architecture doesn't really matter, and I'm competent enough to help it resolve some design problems like the fact that it was obviously hitting the wrong Amazon API that was pulling a report of every single sale as a line item rather than just a report with total sales numbers, etc.
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#69I was at a coffee shop a little while ago with some friends and a stranger was sitting near us working on his laptop. Someone from our group decided to strike up a conversation with him and the stranger started telling us about how now they have these AI tools that can have you make an app in a few hours and without knowing how to code. He was not a software person but look at what he is able to do with it. The impli…
I met a homeless person that is attempting to dig their way out through vibe coding via empty promises from video marketers telling them they can make $10k a month passive income. This shit is really abusive. I didn't know what to say to her, because she was gripping onto it like her one hope.
Re: All vibe coding tools are selling a get rich quick scheme
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
This will be a big problem in the future if it means more companies choosing not to hire/train juniors. Eventually all the experienced people will be dead or retired.
Idk I honestly feel like it makes junior developers more valuable. Junior are devs are often a cost as make as an asset, cause they take a lot of time and attention away from senior devs. Now a junior can ask an AI like 90% of questions that would otherwise occupy a senior: - Why does this dockerfile copy these files first? - how can I find the entrypoints to this service? - is there anything related to image process…
>Now a junior can ask an AI like 90% of questions that would otherwise occupy a senior:
And how does a Junior in this kind of work gain the skills that transitions them to senior?
>I hear a lot of CEO hype posts saying junior devs are outdated, but idk it doesn’t make any sense to me!
well yes, they aren't making sense. Hence why I think this is all a bubble. Irrational markets and all that.
I don't know when it will burst, but even tech companis can't reject reality forever.