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Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Post by nxobject »

andrewstuart wrote: post #27

If you've read the Steve Jibs biography, you’d know his obsession with creating the future products. I feel like he’d be obsessively working to combine AI, robotics and battery technology into the classic sci fi android. Instead, modern Apple seems to be innovating essentially nothing unless you count the VR thing and the rumors of an Apple car, which sounds to me much like the Apple Newton.

I'd disagree: his obsession was with watching everyone fail to create the products of the future, learning from their mistakes, and only then committing to a product strategy (e.g: iPod, iPhone, iPad).

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Post by kodefreeze »

pradn wrote: post #33

Apple needs on-device AI to do chores for me with the apps I have installed. Apple has everything it needs: * Apps are already logged in, so no extra friction to grant access. * Apps mostly use Apple-developed UI frameworks, so Apple could turn them into AI-readable representations, instead of raw pixels. In the same way a browser can give the AI the accessibility DOM, Apple could give AIs an easier representation to…

They've being doing some research on this: https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/ferretui-mobile

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Post by throwaway81523 »

_mu wrote: post #49
pradn wrote: post #33

Apple needs on-device AI to do chores for me with the apps I have installed. Apple has everything it needs: * Apps are already logged in, so no extra friction to grant access. * Apps mostly use Apple-developed UI frameworks, so Apple could turn them into AI-readable representations, instead of raw pixels. In the same way a browser can give the AI the accessibility DOM, Apple could give AIs an easier representation to…

I think on-device AI will show up more front and center but in a few more years. A big issue to solve is battery life. Right now there's already a lot that goes on at night while the user sleeps with their phone plugged in. This helps to preserve battery life because you can run intensive tasks while hooked up to a power source. If apps are doing a lot of AI stuff in the course of regular interaction, that could drai…

2TB microsdxc cards have been available for a year or so, and 1TB cards have been available for several years and are even quite affordable. They work in many Android phones including my cheap Motorola. So it's Apple's sky-high premiums that has made their 1TB phones surprising.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1868375-REG/sandisk_s... 2TB $185

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1692704-REG/sandisk_s... 1TB $90

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1712751-REG/sandisk_s... 512GB $40

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Post by rcxdude »

pradn wrote: post #33

Apple needs on-device AI to do chores for me with the apps I have installed. Apple has everything it needs: * Apps are already logged in, so no extra friction to grant access. * Apps mostly use Apple-developed UI frameworks, so Apple could turn them into AI-readable representations, instead of raw pixels. In the same way a browser can give the AI the accessibility DOM, Apple could give AIs an easier representation to…

This is all possible, but an absolutely terrible idea from a security point of view, while prompt injection attacks are still a thing, and there's little evidence they will stop being a thing soon.

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Post by mort96 »

derefr wrote: post #47
mort96 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're letting the hype men set the goalposts for you, then Not really, I'm taking the hint. If they call a feature "AI", there's a 99% chance it's empty hype. If they call a feature "machine learning", there may be something useful in there. Notice how Apple, in this event even, uses the term "machine learning" for some features (like some of their image processing stuff) and "AI" for other features. Their usage o…

Well, yeah, Apple is being reasonable now because Apple just got through a big bad PR thing with their recent failed attempt at "AI". Apple are currently trying, as much as possible, to avoid applying the term "AI" to anything. But that's not true of any other actor in the market. Everyone else — but especially venture-backed companies trying to get/retain investor interest — are still trying to find a justification…

It's generally perfectly safe to ignore products whose main purpose is to ride some hype wave.

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Post by mort96 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #20
mort96 wrote: post #19

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that stuff is also essentially machine learning, just more parameters and better marketing

I don't think it's marketing's primary purpose to be off-putting?

Anyway, it's not the same thing: I'm fine with machine learning to give me better image search results, I'm not fine with machine learning to generate "art" or machine learning to generate text. Everyone has collectively agreed to call the latter "AI" rather than machine learning, so the term is a useful distinction.

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway81523 wrote: post #63
_mu wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think on-device AI will show up more front and center but in a few more years. A big issue to solve is battery life. Right now there's already a lot that goes on at night while the user sleeps with their phone plugged in. This helps to preserve battery life because you can run intensive tasks while hooked up to a power source. If apps are doing a lot of AI stuff in the course of regular interaction, that could drai…

2TB microsdxc cards have been available for a year or so, and 1TB cards have been available for several years and are even quite affordable. They work in many Android phones including my cheap Motorola. So it's Apple's sky-high premiums that has made their 1TB phones surprising. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1868375-REG/sandisk_s... 2TB $185 https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1692704-REG/sandisk_s... 1TB…

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Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Post by xnx »

adastra22 wrote: post #58
xnx wrote: post #54

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It powers part of the Google Photos app on Android. It can be used on Apple devices through Gemini, but it is not well known yet.

Probably because Google marketing is the worst. Wtf is “nano-banana.” This is straight out of a Silicon Valley HBO skit.

I can almost excuse them for not hyping this too broadly because of how disruptive to certain jobs it will be.
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