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South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by Bud »

geeunits wrote: post #55
sungchi wrote: post #44

In practice, Korean staff are essential for the initial setup of Korean companies’ factories. But even though Korea has an FTA with the US, it’s not allocated short-term work visa quotas (unlike Singapore, Chile, or Australia). For various political reasons, Korean firms have instead relied on ESTA short-term visas, and the US had tacitly allowed it. This time, however, a Republican filed a complaint saying these com…

Yeah, one or two sneaky Koreans to help the cultural divide sounds plausibly okay, but an entire factory of undocumented workers? Seems hard to wash this one any way but clean.

Uh, they were BUILDING the factory. Which was then going to provide hundreds of jobs to Americans.

Seems hard to characterize this in any way other than calling it incredibly stupid.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by karmasimida »

yongjik wrote: post #36
pylua wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming that they are in illegally, the U.S. is the party that should be upset. If you are going to do business in the U.S. then you need to follow us laws.

You can say you're (rightfully) upset, without throwing employees of a major investor onto a jail without functioning toilets. The problem is that the US is sending deeply conflicting messages. Does it want Hyundai's investment or not? It's not that Hyundai needs to build a factory in the middle of nowhere in Georgia.

I can see your argument here.

But if you take things at face value, this isn’t a case where ICE is going berserker mode. They went through investigation and obtained search warrants.

Regardless how they handle detention, the only conclusion is to send them back. Thankfully it seems swift so the workers won’t endure long uncertainty.

Last but not least. One of the arguments of said investment, is to boost local employment, in exchange of other benefits, mostly tax reduction. It is a two way door

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by dpkirchner »

karmasimida wrote: post #40
detaro wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, they all lacked work visas. Source?

If the people arrested here still have valid work visa it will become its own breaking news almost immediately

Only if the media bothered to investigate, of course. As it is all we're getting are press releases.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by cmdli »

refurb wrote: post #60
mempko wrote: post #4

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Yes, Trump needs to give Korea permission to ignore US immigration laws. /s

The solution here is to work with South Korea to follow actual procedure, not arrest everybody and deport them. These people were objectively good for the American economy.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by binary132 »

Bud wrote: post #61
geeunits wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, one or two sneaky Koreans to help the cultural divide sounds plausibly okay, but an entire factory of undocumented workers? Seems hard to wash this one any way but clean.

Uh, they were BUILDING the factory. Which was then going to provide hundreds of jobs to Americans. Seems hard to characterize this in any way other than calling it incredibly stupid.

spell out for me how that makes it ok to use undocumented labor

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by sungchi »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #58
sungchi wrote: post #44

In practice, Korean staff are essential for the initial setup of Korean companies’ factories. But even though Korea has an FTA with the US, it’s not allocated short-term work visa quotas (unlike Singapore, Chile, or Australia). For various political reasons, Korean firms have instead relied on ESTA short-term visas, and the US had tacitly allowed it. This time, however, a Republican filed a complaint saying these com…

I'm completely baffled by that. It would be preferable for the ICE to turn a blind eye to a huge corporation that is breaking the law in a large and systemic manner? It sounds like Hyundai has been dealing with the us in bad faith. Or the standing practice has been to choose not to enforce the law based on political considerations. That sounds awfully like end stage capitalism to me...

I don’t know the full story, but a couple of things seem likely. One is political pressure—ICE needed to show they were “doing something,” which explains the 500 agents and helicopters. The other is that it works as a signal from Trump: if you’re a foreign company, invest all you want, but make sure the jobs and know-how go to Americans from the start.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by Bud »

behnamoh wrote: post #10

Hyundai is notorious for shitty dealers and service, to the point that people hesitate to purchase from their luxury brand, Genesis, to avoid these dealers. Meanwhile, I've heard of Koreans who confirm that the company's branches in Korea have much better dealers. Something seems off, then. Could it be the corporate greed and lousy US regulations that have allowed Hyundai to keep their shady tactics for decades in Am…

I have an Ioniq 5 and I have had nothing but perfect experiences with my Hyundai dealer. Both for sales, and service. Not that service has been much of a thing, since EVs require so little service.

It's also clearly not just me, as the Ioniq 5 has been rated the EV of the year several years running by multiple publications.

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by sndean »

pnw wrote: post #27
JKCalhoun wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also short-sighted: pissing off our international partners that we would rather build factories in the U.S.

South Korea deports Canadians and Americans regularly for not obtaining the correct visas. https://www.vancouverobserver.com/news/we-are-scared-and-we-...

I don’t doubt that some Americans are deported each year from South Korea but I was unable to find any examples in the news other than this one in 2017. I wonder how regular it really is, or maybe it doesn’t get reported by any news source?

Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by lisbbb »

behnamoh wrote: post #10

Hyundai is notorious for shitty dealers and service, to the point that people hesitate to purchase from their luxury brand, Genesis, to avoid these dealers. Meanwhile, I've heard of Koreans who confirm that the company's branches in Korea have much better dealers. Something seems off, then. Could it be the corporate greed and lousy US regulations that have allowed Hyundai to keep their shady tactics for decades in Am…

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Re: South Korea will bring home 300 workers detained in Hyundai plant raid

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Post by lisbbb »

behnamoh wrote: post #10

Hyundai is notorious for shitty dealers and service, to the point that people hesitate to purchase from their luxury brand, Genesis, to avoid these dealers. Meanwhile, I've heard of Koreans who confirm that the company's branches in Korea have much better dealers. Something seems off, then. Could it be the corporate greed and lousy US regulations that have allowed Hyundai to keep their shady tactics for decades in Am…

Genesis barely had any "dealerships" and most times people could not get service much of anywhere for those cars, which is a major turnoff. Also, having to walk into a Hyundai dealership is like taking the train from Philly to Camden.
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