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Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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People in the west are so used to freedom of speech and so focused on problems with social media. They miss the fact, that many authoritarian governments in Asia see freedom of speech in social media as a threat. They are not banning Facebook to improve quality of life, they want to limit freedom of speech.

Yes, and it's shocking to see people cheer it on. An oft-heard refrain is about the legal right of the first amendment of the US constitution preventing the government from blocking speech, but that is based on the natural right of freedom of speech, as Hobbes and Locke would differentiate. Social media platforms are at such a scale in the modern day that they are essentially the public square, so the government bloc…

I don’t really think of social media companies as being the public square. They are more like private clubs, just with really low standards for membership.

IMO the bigger problem is the total lack of a public square these days.

The internet is more pseudonymous than we’re used to dealing with, compared to the in-person public square. People behave in ways that would normally cause their acquiescences to use their freedom of association, and avoid them. Online attempts at a public square tend to be pretty annoying, as a result.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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> Social media platforms are at such a scale in the modern day that they are essentially the public square This is a ridiculous assertion. The local Costco is "at such a scale in the modern day" that it, too, is essentially a public square. It's still private property, though. If you show up in Aisle 6 trying to convert people to Mormonism, a Costco employee will ask you to leave and stop harassing their customers. Y…

True but you can speak out in front of the Costco. There's no equivalent for fb.

I think they also own the land out in front of the shop.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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People in the west are so used to freedom of speech and so focused on problems with social media. They miss the fact, that many authoritarian governments in Asia see freedom of speech in social media as a threat. They are not banning Facebook to improve quality of life, they want to limit freedom of speech.

What freedom of speech? The "first world countries" in Europe are slowly turning up the surveillance state to not let people online if they don't provide their IDs, they want to surveil every private conversation you have at home, if it uses the internet in any way, they'd love banning encryption, VPNs, etc... but you have freedom of speech? Except when talking about thinks that are deemed "pro enemy" (Russia or whoe…

Anonymity is not a prerequisite to freedom of speech.

Broken lives of people harassed by anonymous trolls on social media are the dark side of anonymity.

Freedom must be accompanied by responsibility and accountability.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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Social media is cancer. Let’s go back to expressing free speech in the old fashioned way- at town squares and leaflets.

You mean free speech zones...

Yeah, like a "public space" or something.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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If it is clear to you that it is simplistic, why do you publish it anyway?

Why shouldn't they?

"Hunger in Abysland" // "Ah, right, I just started a diet" // "Immediately I thought it funny to remember that once we also had little to eat"

Appropriateness.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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post #60

People in the west are so used to freedom of speech and so focused on problems with social media. They miss the fact, that many authoritarian governments in Asia see freedom of speech in social media as a threat. They are not banning Facebook to improve quality of life, they want to limit freedom of speech.

Did the UK banning RT.com improve my quality of life?

Very much so.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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Facebook for a couple things, IG for keeping up with friends, sharing pics with friends. And a carefully curated YouTube subscription list. Only stuff that's worth watching: People I can relate to, have no ego, and are just having a good time sharing what they do. I gravitate toward hackaday worthy stuff and off-road exploration type videos. I limit intake of news sites, and instead try to focus on living my own life…

If it is clear to you that it is simplistic, why do you publish it anyway?

I only mentioned that I know it's simplistic so that the pedants would not attack my character for being so naive. But, I guess it takes more than that to keep the pedants from finding fault.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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post #60

People in the west are so used to freedom of speech and so focused on problems with social media. They miss the fact, that many authoritarian governments in Asia see freedom of speech in social media as a threat. They are not banning Facebook to improve quality of life, they want to limit freedom of speech.

Did the UK banning RT.com improve my quality of life?

How would you know if it didn't? You'd be comparing to an alternative future that didn't end up happening.
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