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There is no physical/chemical/biological reason you can’t live indefinitely with the health and vitality of a 25-35 year old. Aging isn’t a law of nature.
There is no physical/chemical/biological reason you can’t live indefinitely with the health and vitality of a 25-35 year old. Aging isn’t a law of nature.
You haven’t quite come to grips with mortality, I think.
This is unfair, and akin to branding anyone who takes medicine as being unhinged.
There is evidence we can extend our health spans. By how much and how are open questions. And if we can actually stop aging, versus slow it down, has not been demonstrated. Some people engage with this unhealthily, just as many terminally-ill cancer patients unhealthily engage with long-shot treatment options. That doesn’t make everyone taking those treatments delusional.
I’d hope we more mature as a society than decrying real medical research that could materially increase our health spans because they’re heretical.
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I have this feeling he's going to die way earlier than he would have if he just lived a normal life.
I mean he's just marketing eating well, sleeping and exercising.. how on earth would that make him die way earlier?
I wonder if as a species we can ever get more comfortable with death. We’re built not to be I realize, and we should never be for those that are young but I feel like we should be ok with living 80ish or more years and then clocking out. That being said, I’m not cool with the idea of dying when good, but when I’m in a major depressive episode, the idea of immortality is terrifying.
You're not dreaming big enough. "Accept death, it's beautiful" is cope. It's not beautiful. It's suboptimal horror. I find it offensive that so many "universe experiencing itself" entities willingly accept a return to dust. Our sun dies, and with it everything on this planet will become metal inclusions in a decaying solar body. You know what doesn't matter in light of that? All other perspectives. Every other concep…
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I mean he's just marketing eating well, sleeping and exercising.. how on earth would that make him die way earlier?
The number of supplements and treatments he’s taking are probably too much, and some are quite experimental. He’s definitely rolling some dice.
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[EDIT: Biologically] immortal doesn’t mean indestructible. It just means they don’t age. Lobsters aren’t truly biologically immortal. They “continue to grow throughout their lives,” with “increasing amounts of energy” being needed to mount ans they grow larger [1]. “Eventually the cost is too high and lobsters can die from exhaustion.” (That said, if our cells aged like lobsters we’d live something like thousands of…
> Immortal doesn’t mean indestructible. It just means they don’t age. Technically “immortal” means “never dying”, it has nothing to do with age. You could be unable to die but continue to age and become ever more decrepit (although the Oxford dictionary does list “never decaying” in its definition), for sure there’s a sci-fi short story about that out there. The mentioned creatures all age, they do get older, it just…
Hence my use of the term biologically immortal.
> mentioned creatures all age, they do get older, it just so happens their bodies don’t deteriorate
Were you really confused that OP was talking about stopping physical time?
It is ironic that many of the people obsessed with life extension are also those deeply involved in creating systems that deliberately waste the time we already do have, via addictive algorithms, clickbait content, unnecessary consumerism, etc. “It is not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste a lot of it. Life is long enough, and a sufficiently generous amount has been given to us for the highest achie…
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>There is no physical/chemical/biological reason you can’t live indefinitely Given that that the universe hasn't an indefinite life span there is at least physical reason why we can't live indefinitely.
When is the universe definitely going to die?
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> Immortal doesn’t mean indestructible. It just means they don’t age. Technically “immortal” means “never dying”, it has nothing to do with age. You could be unable to die but continue to age and become ever more decrepit (although the Oxford dictionary does list “never decaying” in its definition), for sure there’s a sci-fi short story about that out there. The mentioned creatures all age, they do get older, it just…
> Technically “immortal” means “never dying”, it has nothing to do with age Hence my use of the term biologically immortal. > mentioned creatures all age, they do get older, it just so happens their bodies don’t deteriorate Were you really confused that OP was talking about stopping physical time?
That’s the second paragraph. I was specifically addressing only the first (the one I quoted). In that one you seem to be saying that “immortal means not aging”. That’s the only part of your post I wanted to address, the rest was very clear.
There is no physical/chemical/biological reason you can’t live indefinitely with the health and vitality of a 25-35 year old. Aging isn’t a law of nature.
We don’t know this. We know of no creatures as biologically complex as humans that demonstrate biological immortality. That might be because nature never bothered. It might be because it can’t.
But you are generally correct: we have strong evidence healthspan-increasing interventions are not only possible, but proximate. That research could move faster with more funding, particularly from the public, since if we relinquish this funding to the rich it will not prioritize treatments which may be slightly less effective but much cheaper and thus broadly applicable.